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The $1200 mid-length I posted about wanting sold out over the weekend, however Palmetto Arms posted an M4 Carbine with the same specs and optics for $1000. If you subtract the $400 Aimpoint PRO with QD mount, I basically bought a "mil-spec" M4 Carbine for $600. I only hope the downgrade to carbine gas system was worth the $200 savings.
"I'm fucking furious, I'm violently angry, and I like it. If you don't know what that feels like then I feel bad for you"
You will love it. I've got the same set up as you have pictured, minus the Aimpoint. What twist rate is the barrel? Is it chrome lined or is it moly?
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Chrome lined and 1/7 twist.Originally Posted by btcave
"I'm fucking furious, I'm violently angry, and I like it. If you don't know what that feels like then I feel bad for you"
Well, I hope you get one of the good ones. 7" gas systems are rough on the extracters, chamber pressures are higher during extraction than with the mid-length gas system rifles. Plus, a bayonet doesn't fit right on a 7" gas system rifle unless you have a 14" barrel. Iron sights are closer together. If you have older eyes like me, the front sight is going to be harder to see in focus then the mid-length version of the carbine.
Last edited by Schuetzenman; 06-25-2013 at 08:34 PM.
Well, I suppose I could always sell this upper and get a middy if I feel its necessary.
Or I could just put together another rifle in the future.
I wanted the middy in the first place but couldn't turn this one down for the money.
"I'm fucking furious, I'm violently angry, and I like it. If you don't know what that feels like then I feel bad for you"
Cheaper alternative is simply to change out the barrel. Takes less than 15 minutes if you have the tools. Take off handguards, drive out the roll pin holding the gas tube in. Remove gas tube. Put the 3 pronged barrel nut wrench in the barrel nut and break it loose. Spin off nut, pull forward on the barrel and VIOLA, barrel out. A complete barrel will be set up for installation and will probably headspace correctly with no work required. You will notice a pin sticking up out of the barrel extension that locates the barrel to the proper orientation in the upper receiver. Next spin on the barrel nut that should of come on your new complete barrel. Torque down and align the groove in the nut to the gas tube hole in the upper receiver. Install gas tube and put in roll pin. Install handguards, you're done.Well, I suppose I could always sell this upper and get a middy if I feel its necessary.
Or I could just put together another rifle in the future.
I wanted the middy in the first place but couldn't turn this one down for the money.
Sell old barrel to somebody that likes to clear stuck cases.
Based on the specs, it looks like a pretty darn good package for what you paid. Carbine length gas system with a 16" barrel isn't ideal but provided the parts are of good quality (and it sounds like they are) you ought to be okay. The vast majority of AR carbines out there are 7" gas/16" barrel arrangements, including highly thought-of examples like Colt's 6920 and 6940, and some of Daniel Defense's guns. For what it's worth the Canadians deliberately went with a barrel of 16" (of thereabouts) on their SFW carbines as opposed to the more common 14.5 inches.
Last edited by Circle_10; 06-27-2013 at 12:53 AM.
I would wait until you knew you had a problem before I considered changing anything. Odds are you'll be ok. There are plenty of carbine length gas systems around.
So when are you getting it? In time to shoot it on the 4th's weekend coming up?http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...ge/category/6/
The $1200 mid-length I posted about wanting sold out over the weekend, however Palmetto Arms posted an M4 Carbine with the same specs and optics for $1000. If you subtract the $400 Aimpoint PRO with QD mount, I basically bought a "mil-spec" M4 Carbine for $600. I only hope the downgrade to carbine gas system was worth the $200 savings.
Tomorrow morning at 11 AM.
I'll probably shoot it out in the yard on the fourth. This weekend will be busy as Hell at the public range in this area, but maybe I can make it to a friend's property to get some real distance to shoot it.
"I'm fucking furious, I'm violently angry, and I like it. If you don't know what that feels like then I feel bad for you"
Nice, so what magazines and ammo do you have to use in this rifle?Tomorrow morning at 11 AM.
I'll probably shoot it out in the yard on the fourth. This weekend will be busy as Hell at the public range in this area, but maybe I can make it to a friend's property to get some real distance to shoot it.
Lots of GI 30 rounders from various manufacturers with various finishes. All but a handful have updated followers. I've also got some Troy mags.
My ammo is 55 gr. xm-193. Some Western European, some Winchester, all with the NATO head stamp.
This is my first AR but not my first 5.56 rifle feeding from STANAG mags.
"I'm fucking furious, I'm violently angry, and I like it. If you don't know what that feels like then I feel bad for you"
So I got my rifle.
Everything seems great. Only things I've noticed are that the dust cover is harder to snap on than my father's M&P-15, and the M4 handguards have a little wiggle to them. I can see the front handguard retainer (by the front sight) is wiggling itself. I'm not sure yet how big a deal that is, as it is just little wiggle and this is a patrol rifle, not a precision target piece.
And here are the pics no-ne requested.
Yes this gun is wet. I live in a swamp.
Made in my home state.
"I'm fucking furious, I'm violently angry, and I like it. If you don't know what that feels like then I feel bad for you"
Forgot to mention that I added the Troy rear flip-up myself. Luckily my uncle had a spare and gave it to me.
"I'm fucking furious, I'm violently angry, and I like it. If you don't know what that feels like then I feel bad for you"
Looks GOOD!
Don't worry about the handguard, sometimes the front retainer isn't pinched snug enough by the FSB when the FSB is pinned in place. Doesn't affect performance in any measurable way. Same with the dust cover... It's new, the spring still has its full tension, and there hasn't been a grove worn in on the upper receiver yet.
As far as the carbine vs. mid-length gas system goes, unless it gives you problems, don't worry about it. Have several friends that have carbine length gas system rifles, and none of them have had any issues worth mentioning.
Nice looking rifle!
Face your fear, accept your war.
Congrats! Nice looker, too!
Yes I also say nice looking rifle. That patrol rifle sight from aimpoint is really quite the bargain. Visible plus night vision settings and can run for 5 years. I'm looking at getting one myself even though up to this point I've been an Etotech fanboy. For the price of an Eotech 512 which is not NV capable the Patrol Rifle sight IS and with that Aimpoint battery life, I think I just have to get one to have in the collection.
I found a local gunshop selling them for $399.95 with tax out the door $424.
Last edited by Schuetzenman; 07-03-2013 at 10:18 PM.
Thanks for the compliments and advice everyone.
Scheutz, the PRO is a 3 year battery life model. Also, the mount it comes with has a removable bracket that allows you to make it absolute cowitness as opposed to lower 1/3, in case you got really used to absolute cowitness with your Eotech. I'm keeping mine as a lower 1/3 for now.
"I'm fucking furious, I'm violently angry, and I like it. If you don't know what that feels like then I feel bad for you"
3 years still quite a bit better than the maybe 1,000 hours of a 512 Eotech (probably more like 600 ish on daylight bright settings).
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