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[Krupski]

There are a few different theories, but the predominant one is that mitochondria and chloroplasts were both originally single-celled prokaryotes that got "caught up" in larger eukaryotic ("true kernel" or "separate nucleus") cells. They formed a symbiotic relationship with each other, and replicated in tandem.

Seriously, take a biology class or just Google "mitosis" to understand how cell replication works. Don't take my word for it. It really is an amazing process, completely mindless, and totally driven by natural phenomena.

Mitosis is FISSION. The combination of elements into other elements (by stars and supernovas) is called FUSION.

The first one means "splitting" while the second one means "combining".

And, cellular mitosis is not "mindless". It's simply a matter of a cell growing large enough that it needs to split into 2 parts. Whatever triggers the chromosomes into splitting into two parts (one for each new cell) is not "mindless", but designed into the "system".

Also, splitting uranium or plutonium atoms in an atomic bomb is also called "fission". A hydrogen bomb, conversely, combines hydrogen into helium just like the sun and releases energy via fusion.

Uranium is the heaviest NATURAL element because anything larger is atomically unstable and cannot exist for very long.

Think of a water drop in microgravity or zero gravity. If you tap the water sphere with your finger or a stick or whatever, it will deform, then try to return to a spherical shape. Eventually it will.

Now think of a larger water drop (or a "ball" of water). At a certain size, the water will deform and not have enough surface tension to return to a sphere, so it will continue to deform and eventually split (fission) into two smaller pieces that can easily return to a spherical shape.

Now, replace water drop with uranium and the tapping finger with a neutron and you see how NUCLEAR fission works. And you see why only the heaviest elements (Uranium, man-made Plutonium and only a few others) are fissionable. Smaller ones are too stable to be broken apart.

[Krupski]

No he is in office pushing legislation to affect Rhode Island. He is a state senator not a federal one.

Doesn't matter. Bad legislation in one state is copied by governors in other states, and negative court rulings (which uphold the bad legislation) are cited as legal precedent in future lawsuits.

In the end, it does affect all of us.

[El Jefe]

Mitosis is FISSION. The combination of elements into other elements (by stars and supernovas) is called FUSION.

The first one means "splitting" while the second one means "combining".

And, cellular mitosis is not "mindless". It's simply a matter of a cell growing large enough that it needs to split into 2 parts. Whatever triggers the chromosomes into splitting into two parts (one for each new cell) is not "mindless", but designed into the "system".

Also, splitting uranium or plutonium atoms in an atomic bomb is also called "fission". A hydrogen bomb, conversely, combines hydrogen into helium just like the sun and releases energy via fusion.

Uranium is the heaviest NATURAL element because anything larger is atomically unstable and cannot exist for very long.

Think of a water drop in microgravity or zero gravity. If you tap the water sphere with your finger or a stick or whatever, it will deform, then try to return to a spherical shape. Eventually it will.

Now think of a larger water drop (or a "ball" of water). At a certain size, the water will deform and not have enough surface tension to return to a sphere, so it will continue to deform and eventually split (fission) into two smaller pieces that can easily return to a spherical shape.

Now, replace water drop with uranium and the tapping finger with a neutron and you see how NUCLEAR fission works. And you see why only the heaviest elements (Uranium, man-made Plutonium and only a few others) are fissionable. Smaller ones are too stable to be broken apart.

Are you arguing with a.......wait for it.........a scientist? Dude has taken 3 science classes at some rat hole community college, he now knows all!

Actually, his only interest in this thread is promoting atheism. Know your opponent, Roger, know your opponent.

[LAGC]

Mitosis is FISSION.

I'm not sure exactly what your point is here, Roger. Calling it "binary fission" (in the case of single-celled prokaryotes) or "mitosis" (in the case of eukaryotes), my point still stands.

It is still a completely mindless process, as there is no neural network or consciousness involved. Cells don't react because of any "end goal" in mind, they react simply because the right molecular building blocks are there to cause them to respond in particular ways. It simply happens due to basic organic chemical reactions that we can observe in the laboratory today. When a cell accumulates enough molecular building blocks and "gets too big for its britches," its constituent parts start reacting in such a way that the DNA separates (after replication) and the cell wall starts cleaving. The product is two daughter cells, more or less identical to each other, except for stem cells depending on which part of the body they are located in. Repeat over and over again until you have tissues and eventually entire organ systems that make up the complete organism.

It really is a fascinating process. We are really, when it boils down it, well-honed machines. The only real mystery of life is how consciousness ever arose. But neuroscientists are working hard on trying to figure that out right now. It will be interesting to see what discoveries come to light over the next few decades...

[Krupski]

It is still a completely mindless process, as there is no neural network or consciousness involved. Cells don't react because of any "end goal" in mind, they react simply because the right molecular building blocks are there to cause them to respond in particular ways. It simply happens due to basic organic chemical reactions that we can observe in the laboratory today. When a cell accumulates enough molecular building blocks and "gets too big for its britches," its constituent parts start reacting in such a way that the DNA separates (after replication) and the cell wall starts cleaving. The product is two daughter cells, more or less identical to each other, except for stem cells depending on which part of the body they are located in. Repeat over and over again until you have tissues and eventually entire organ systems that make up the complete organism.

OK, explain this: It takes literally several tons of engineering drawings to define a relatively simple machine.

Yet, a living being's entire design... infinitely more complex..... the placement of every cell and the function of every cell is encoded in a SINGLE MOLECULE. A single DNA molecule that you can only barely see with an electron microscope....

If THAT isn't proof enough of God for you, then it's hopeless.

[5.56NATO]

OK, explain this: It takes literally several tons of engineering drawings to define a relatively simple machine.

Yet, a living being's entire design... infinitely more complex..... the placement of every cell and the function of every cell is encoded in a SINGLE MOLECULE. A single DNA molecule that you can only barely see with an electron microscope....

If THAT isn't proof enough of God for you, then it's hopeless.

It all just happened. Like how every junk yard will be teeming with transformer life in a few thousand years!

[LAGC]

OK, explain this: It takes literally several tons of engineering drawings to define a relatively simple machine.

Yet, a living being's entire design... infinitely more complex..... the placement of every cell and the function of every cell is encoded in a SINGLE MOLECULE. A single DNA molecule that you can only barely see with an electron microscope....

What you have to keep in mind, Roger, is that DNA has had literally billions of years to perfect itself. Random mutations, the vast majority which did NOT work out (and which of course, never survived replication, so we don't see them today) -- but the mutations that did work out and were beneficial were passed on to the next generation. Repeat this process a gazillion times and what you have left is a well-honed molecule that has withstood the test of time and has adapted very well to its environment. One of the central themes in biology is: form fits function.

Each and every one of us, for us to be here today, have literally won the genetic lottery a gazillion times over throughout history to be here today. 99.99% of all mutations failed and died off, never carrying over and passing hereditary information to daughter cells. But those that have are such that are very conducive to our continued survival.

To me, that's even more amazing than this idea that a "higher power" was somehow behind it, guiding the process the whole way. We really are incredibly lucky sons of guns. And to be alive today, at this time, with so much scientific discovery abounding... I might hesitate to call it a miracle, but it sure is pretty damn interesting, to put it mildly.

[Full Otto]

It all just happened. Like how every junk yard will be teeming with transformer life in a few thousand years!

Doesn't matter. Bad legislation in one state is copied by governors in other states, and negative court rulings (which uphold the bad legislation) are cited as legal precedent in future lawsuits.

In the end, it does affect all of us.

Yep and it's not like we he's the first and only one

[Krupski]

What you have to keep in mind, Roger, is that DNA has had literally billions of years to perfect itself. Random mutations, the vast majority which did NOT work out (and which of course, never survived replication, so we don't see them today) -- but the mutations that did work out and were beneficial were passed on to the next generation. Repeat this process a gazillion times and what you have left is a well-honed molecule that has withstood the test of time and has adapted very well to its environment.

You have just described EVOLUTION.

But, think past the fact that "trial and error" works well. Where did it come from?

Think of stars. Hydrogen fuses into helium. The resulting helium atoms have slightly less mass than the hydrogens it was made from, and that mass difference is converted into raw energy (E=MC^2) and that's what powers stars.

But WHY is it this way? Where did hydrogen come from? Why is helium slightly less massive than the hydrogens that make it?

The answer is God. God wanted light, and He got light... by designing hydrogen the way He did and by creating gravity to pull the hydrogen into a self-running star.

Since all other elements are made from hydrogen in stars and supernovas, obviously ALL that exists was created by God.

Getting back to trial and error (a.k.a. evolution), it's obvious how it works, but WHY does it work that way?

Same answer. God designed it that way.

[was_peacemaker]

Why are you so concerned with "staying on topic"?

Real face-to-face conversations usually diverge into other topics... what's wrong if it happens here?

Ever read a Wikipedia page, then see a linked word that interests you, clicked on it and continued reading, then found another linked word, etc.. and ended up with dozens of open pages of topics ultimately IN NO WAY RELATED to the original lookup?

It's human nature.

Bingo! I can't tell you how many times at the range with buddies, fishing trips, or in music stores this happens.

[LAGC]

You have just described EVOLUTION.

You asked how a molecule as complex as DNA arose. There is your answer. No "higher power" required. Just natural processes at work, basic organic molecules like nucleic acids interacting, and lots and lots of time to develop. It is a pretty amazing process, but doesn't require a supernatural explanation. Occam's razor: the simplest explanation is usually preferred.

But, think past the fact that "trial and error" works well. Where did it come from?

Think of stars. Hydrogen fuses into helium. The resulting helium atoms have slightly less mass than the hydrogens it was made from, and that mass difference is converted into raw energy (E=MC^2) and that's what powers stars.

But WHY is it this way? Where did hydrogen come from? Why is helium slightly less massive than the hydrogens that make it?

The answer is God. God wanted light, and He got light... by designing hydrogen the way He did and by creating gravity to pull the hydrogen into a self-running star.

Since all other elements are made from hydrogen in stars and supernovas, obviously ALL that exists was created by God.

Getting back to trial and error (a.k.a. evolution), it's obvious how it works, but WHY does it work that way?

Same answer. God designed it that way.

What you are describing here is known as the "god of the gaps" fallacy. You're claiming that just because scientists haven't figured out certain particulars about nature, "therefore God must have done it."

Just keep in mind that people used to think God was behind volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural phenomena. But we now know that natural disasters are just that: natural -- occurring due to plate tectonics and meteorology. No higher power required.

I'm sure many of those other mysteries will be figured out in due time.

Or scientists could just throw their hands up, say "God must have done it!" and give up trying to figure things out.

But that doesn't make for very good science, does it?

[shorthair]

Indeed.

When you have nothing to contribute to the topic.......you change it.

Bingo! I can't tell you how many times at the range with buddies, fishing trips, or in music stores this happens.

[Krupski]

You asked how a molecule as complex as DNA arose. There is your answer. No "higher power" required. Just natural processes at work...

Don't know why I waste my time, but.......

What is a "natural process"? What is "nature"? What is the universe? Where did it all COME FROM, and why does it all WORK THE WAY IT DOES?

The answer is God.

You simply state "this is HOW it works". I ask you "WHY it works that way?"

You have yet to provide an answer (and circular politician-speak is not an acceptable answer).

[Krupski]

You're claiming that just because scientists haven't figured out certain particulars about nature, "therefore God must have done it."

"Scientists" will never "figure out" why there is a small mass difference between helium and the hydrogens that fused to make it. It's simply a fact.

"Scientists" will also never figure out why it IS a fact, until they realize that it was CREATED that way.

And how did it get created? Need I tell you again?

[FunkyPertwee]

"Scientists" will never "figure out" why there is a small mass difference between helium and the hydrogens that fused to make it. It's simply a fact.

"Scientists" will also never figure out why it IS a fact, until they realize that it was CREATED that way.

And how did it get created? Need I tell you again?

That would be like the AI controlled characters in your video game reverse engineering the code that went into creating the program they exist within.

[LAGC]

Don't know why I waste my time, but.......

What is a "natural process"? What is "nature"? What is the universe? Where did it all COME FROM, and why does it all WORK THE WAY IT DOES?

The answer is God.

You simply state "this is HOW it works". I ask you "WHY it works that way?"

You have yet to provide an answer (and circular politician-speak is not an acceptable answer).

Well sure, if you want to be so abstract as to say that God is the same as nature. But when most people talk about "God" they are referring to a conscious, sentient being (supernatural), not mindless processes like the forces of nature.

I'm totally open to the possibility that some "higher power" set the rules of this universe and set things initially in motion, but its pretty obvious that if there ever was a Creator in the beginning, he/she/it/they have been completely hands-off ever since.

But that also begs the obvious question: if there was a "higher power" in the beginning, who or what created him/her/it/they? If God just "always was" then why couldn't the mindless forces of nature just "always be" as well?

"Scientists" will never "figure out" why there is a small mass difference between helium and the hydrogens that fused to make it. It's simply a fact.

So scientists should just give up trying? Damn, we would have never visited the moon if scientists all thought like that!

That's the whole point of science. To TRY to answer those hard questions. Maybe we never will figure it out, but we surely won't if we just give up and say "God did it, so why bother?"

[L1A1Rocker]

HEY! L1A1Rocker! Where's the nasty reply to this "horribly off topic post?"

Or do you just selectively harass ME?

Oh how I wish I could meet you in person. I doubt you would comport yourself as you do online.

Mods, please close this train wreck of a thread. Thank you.

[was_peacemaker]

Alright fellows calm down. No need to keep taking shots at each other and flaming it out. Lets just cool down, so no one says anything they may regret. I would like to think if we all were chit chatting around a camp fire with some cold brew we would get along fine, and not be at each others throats. That is the stuff they do at DUNG, we are better than that...I know we are.

[Krupski]

Oh how I wish I could meet you in person. I doubt you would comport yourself as you do online.

Are you so angry that you feel the need to threaten me?