If you could have one knife to survive with, what would it be?

[RJ Shooter]

I prefer a knife without a hilt on the top.

I switch to a reverse hand hold (top of blade against forearm) in some techniques, so I too prefer no top hilt.

[swampdragon]

Hilt
The Knife Hilt refers to the entire handle including the pommel, butt cap and the guard.

I don't understand what you guys are saying?

[RJ Shooter]

Hilt
The Knife Hilt refers to the entire handle including the pommel, butt cap and the guard.

I don't understand what you guys are saying?

I guess more correctly then, the top guard. A lot of people call the entire guard section the hilt. Pommel and Butt, or Buttcap are used interchangeably as well.

[swampdragon]

I guess more correctly then, the top guard. A lot of people call the entire guard section the hilt. Pommel and Butt, or Buttcap are used interchangeably as well.

Gotcha...

[HDR]

Swampy, it could also be called a bolster or hand guard or cross guard.

Some "experts" say hilts are for swords or daggers; so I was wrong any way you count it.

I switch to a reverse hand hold (top of blade against forearm) in some techniques, so I too prefer no top hilt.

No top guard or whatever it is called gives you more control. It is called a Filipino grip or thumb on spine. Others call it a modified saber grip which I was taught is the thumb on side of the blade.

I believe the slang name is the reverse icepick as there is also a reverse saber (usually with thumb on pommel) grip so it could be called that also. As the thumb is on the side with the blade forward saber grip when it is blade forward;, I stay out of that debate.

You know what Mark Twain said.....

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

--Mark Twain

[swampdragon]

Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.
Sun Tzu

[old Grump]

Knife fighting lie number one - You will have time to draw your knife.

Knife fighting lie number two - It will be a knife fight

Knife fighting lie number three - I am an expert and I can teach you how to knife fight

Fact, best knife to have in your hand during a knife fight is a 1911A1 single-action, semi-automatic, magazine-fed, recoil-operated handgun with the magazine filled with 230 grain FMJ 45ACP cartridges. Round chambered and gun cocked. I'm to old for silly games.

[RJ Shooter]

Knife fighting lie number one - You will have time to draw your knife.

Knife fighting lie number two - It will be a knife fight

Knife fighting lie number three - I am an expert and I can teach you how to knife fight

Fact, best knife to have in your hand during a knife fight is a 1911A1 single-action, semi-automatic, magazine-fed, recoil-operated handgun with the magazine filled with 230 grain FMJ 45ACP cartridges. Round chambered and gun cocked. I'm to old for silly games.

Fact #1: Within 15', I can run and stab you before you draw your 1911.

Fact #2: Practiced this 100s of times with rubber training knives and blue chalkline chalk, so it's a confirmed fact...

[swampdragon]

Fact #1: Within 15', I can run and stab you before you draw your 1911.

Fact #2: Practiced this 100s of times with rubber training knives and blue chalkline chalk, so it's a confirmed fact...

Somehow that just doesn't sound fair.

Grump has bad knees...he's older than the earth itself...and I doubt the stubborn lil bastard would stand still for you on your chalk line.
Plus, you'd probably only just piss him off if you stabbed him with a rubber knife.
Then he'd shoot you...like in the knee cap or something just because it would hurt a lot.

[RJ Shooter]

Again, ROTFLMAO!!!!

[HDR]

Fact #1: Within 15', I can run and stab you before you draw your 1911.

Fact #2: Practiced this 100s of times with rubber training knives and blue chalkline chalk, so it's a confirmed fact...

Fact #3 Its name is Tueller Drill.

Somehow that just doesn't sound fair.

No one said it was fair and the fact is it gets even worse when one missed the fact.

[swampdragon]

Fact #3 Its name is Tueller Drill.



No one said it was fair and the fact is it gets even worse when one missed the fact.

OK, but don't come cryin' to me when RJ has an injured knee and a rubber knife stuck up his butt...and old Grump is going through his pockets looking for Viagra and beer money.

[RJ Shooter]

And yet once again, ROTFLMAO!!!!

[swampdragon]

FACT #1:

If you are going to engage in a knife fight...don't use a rubber knife.

[old Grump]

3 times I have had a knife pulled on me, all 3 times were within arms reach of me, there would not have been time to draw a knife, a gun or even a deep breath. I have no knife wounds, 2 knives were lost never to be seen again by the mopes who pulled them, the first guy I handed his knife back to him, called him an idiot and told him to go away. He did. I don't react well to people trying to stick sharp pointed things in me.

Only knife fights I have ever seen were practice fights with a few close friends and in the movies. I hope you rubber knife boys don't do the prison shank dance or the West Side story shuffle.

I was in a class where the instructor was going to teach us MP types how to defend against knife attacks. Duh, I have a night stick, a helmet and a 45. Twice I was called to be the guinea pig by the instructor because at 5' 11" and 213 pounds I looked slow and clumsy. Somebody should have told him I was on the Navy boxing team, heavyweight class. Ding Dong Dooley would give me a little yellow rubber thing, (looked like a foam rubber banana only not curved), and he had his blue dagger. He would get me in the position he wanted me and then he assumed his stance. Looked at the rest of the class, grin and opened his mouth to say ready.

Before he got to the second syllable I had forearmed him with my left arm, stepped behind his right leg and had the first 2 knuckles of my right fist in his neck. the little yellow rubber thingy was on the mat under our feet. After the second attempt with the same result he said I wasn't cooperating. He didn't grow up where I did and he was right. I would not play his silly fricking game.

Swampy is right about my knees and my back and my bum left shoulder. 30 years ago I would have kicked you in the face or tried to drive my fist through your ribs to your back bone. Today I would just kill you because I'm in no condition to play silly. No strength, no stamina but lots of dirty tricks in my pocket. Not bragging, just an old man who intends to get older till I turn room temperature.

The 3 knives, first was a little jack knife with about 1 1/2" blade. That's the one I gave back adding insult to injury. The second was a switch blade, guessing about 5" of blade. I planted my foot in that little New Yorkers chest and I have no idea where his knife went. 3rd was 2 kids with a hunting knife a couple of years ago. Old man with a white beard, a limp and walking with a cane is harmless right? Knot on his head and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if I didn't break the ulna bone on his left arm as he tried to protect his head from my second blow.

This is why I laugh at the combat knife threads and out comes the bowie's and the bayonets and the 14" saw backed serrated blade with 2 blood grooves, bone crusher pommel and an etching of a syphilitic dragon on the blade to prove it's a dangerous knife. Never ever saw one of them used in a fight...except in kung fu movies or horseshit and gun powder movies.

Most dangerous weapon ever used against me was a heavy navy swab. That didn't work out well for that guy either but if I hadn't heard him and turned around when I did it could have been bad for me. That would have really sucked, getting laid out by a mop.

Tueller be damned, if you are going into a bad situation you best have that 45 ACP, 9MM, PR 24 Baton, whatever you have in your fist already. I don't care how fast anybody is with a blade, you can't move 950 fps.

Also don't care how many Sicilian knife fights you have participated in, my axe handle trumps your cuteddu. Yeah, yeah, I'm a stinky old cheater.

[AKTexas]

3 times I have had a knife pulled on me, all 3 times were within arms reach of me, there would not have been time to draw a knife, a gun or even a deep breath. I have no knife wounds, 2 knives were lost never to be seen again by the mopes who pulled them, the first guy I handed his knife back to him, called him an idiot and told him to go away. He did. I don't react well to people trying to stick sharp pointed things in me.

Only knife fights I have ever seen were practice fights with a few close friends and in the movies. I hope you rubber knife boys don't do the prison shank dance or the West Side story shuffle.

I was in a class where the instructor was going to teach us MP types how to defend against knife attacks. Duh, I have a night stick, a helmet and a 45. Twice I was called to be the guinea pig by the instructor because at 5' 11" and 213 pounds I looked slow and clumsy. Somebody should have told him I was on the Navy boxing team, heavyweight class. Ding Dong Dooley would give me a little yellow rubber thing, (looked like a foam rubber banana only not curved), and he had his blue dagger. He would get me in the position he wanted me and then he assumed his stance. Looked at the rest of the class, grin and opened his mouth to say ready.

Before he got to the second syllable I had forearmed him with my left arm, stepped behind his right leg and had the first 2 knuckles of my right fist in his neck. the little yellow rubber thingy was on the mat under our feet. After the second attempt with the same result he said I wasn't cooperating. He didn't grow up where I did and he was right. I would not play his silly fricking game.

Swampy is right about my knees and my back and my bum left shoulder. 30 years ago I would have kicked you in the face or tried to drive my fist through your ribs to your back bone. Today I would just kill you because I'm in no condition to play silly. No strength, no stamina but lots of dirty tricks in my pocket. Not bragging, just an old man who intends to get older till I turn room temperature.

The 3 knives, first was a little jack knife with about 1 1/2" blade. That's the one I gave back adding insult to injury. The second was a switch blade, guessing about 5" of blade. I planted my foot in that little New Yorkers chest and I have no idea where his knife went. 3rd was 2 kids with a hunting knife a couple of years ago. Old man with a white beard, a limp and walking with a cane is harmless right? Knot on his head and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if I didn't break the ulna bone on his left arm as he tried to protect his head from my second blow.

This is why I laugh at the combat knife threads and out comes the bowie's and the bayonets and the 14" saw backed serrated blade with 2 blood grooves, bone crusher pommel and an etching of a syphilitic dragon on the blade to prove it's a dangerous knife. Never ever saw one of them used in a fight...except in kung fu movies or horseshit and gun powder movies.

Most dangerous weapon ever used against me was a heavy navy swab. That didn't work out well for that guy either but if I hadn't heard him and turned around when I did it could have been bad for me. That would have really sucked, getting laid out by a mop.

Tueller be damned, if you are going into a bad situation you best have that 45 ACP, 9MM, PR 24 Baton, whatever you have in your fist already. I don't care how fast anybody is with a blade, you can't move 950 fps.

Also don't care how many Sicilian knife fights you have participated in, my axe handle trumps your cuteddu. Yeah, yeah, I'm a stinky old cheater.

No such thing as a fair fight when your life is on the line.Good job Grump.

[HDR]

Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.
Sun Tzu

Although weapons don't make a Warrior; the weapons have changed.

OK, but don't come cryin' to me when RJ has an injured knee and a rubber knife stuck up his butt...and old Grump is going through his pockets looking for Viagra and beer money.

Swampy who on this beautiful Blue Planet would come crying to you?

Besides that mutant cat you have for an avatar.

[Krupski]

Fact #1: Within 15', I can run and stab you before you draw your 1911.

Fact #2: Practiced this 100s of times with rubber training knives and blue chalkline chalk, so it's a confirmed fact...

Well, blades scare me to death. Even if you can get to me quick enough, I would still prefer a firearm.

[HDR]

Tueller be damned, if you are going into a bad situation you best have that 45 ACP, 9MM, PR 24 Baton, whatever you have in your fist already. I don't care how fast anybody is with a blade, you can't move 950 fps.

One would only need to be quicker than 950 fps or 3000 fps after the other person gets the gun out, aims it and shoots it. The bottom line is this is the same as an wild west gunfight; who is quicker.

AFA, blade speed; it is the speed of getting it out and in and no one trusts you to fill the water pistol.

Tueller drill is based on LE experience of which I have none. If we were in a bar, we could go outside and try it. Not lethal, just see if Tueller is right and RJ could cover 15' before OG could get out a water pistol. However, that would put RJ at a real disadvantage because humans have real shitty brakes. LOL

No Swampy, OG can't stand in front of a wall.

Well, blades scare me to death. Even if you can get to me quick enough, I would still prefer a firearm.

Firearms hurt too.

[RJ Shooter]

However, that would put RJ at a real disadvantage because humans have real shitty brakes. LOL

HA!!!!!!

And the crux of the Tueller doctrine is, the knife is ALREADY DRAWN AND OUT!

When both are in the sheath/holster, my bet is ALWAYS on the gun...