CDC Chief Is A Certifiable Idiot

[ltorlo64]

He went to the hospital, a university hospital if I am not mistaken, and he was sent home and told he had nothing to worry about. He was brought back in an ambulance, vomiting and leaving other bodily fluids as a trail to follow. They then said he had something to worry about. The family he was staying with is now quarantined, but what about those who first treated him, anyone one who tried to help him while he was vomiting outside the apartment, etc.

[nfa1934]

Possibly, what happened with the guy in Dallas?

Those "proper protocols here" didn't happen correctly and an infected person was turned out into the public to expose others (in addition to those who were exposed before he sought treatment), his family refused to follow quarantine procedure until forced (much like the idiots spreading the disease back home in Africa), the cleaning team for his dwelling ran into multiple procedural issues, schoolchildren had contact with the infected individual before he went to the hospital, EMTs were unaware they were handling an ebola patient, and the ambulance wasn't properly sanitized. And that's just for one instance. You want 10,000?

[Richard Simmons]

Yep - no need to worry. I'm sure other countries will do the right thing. Besides, not letting Africans come here is racist.

Perhaps you misunderstood my post. I said we shouldn't have to worry because they should be screening people in other countries. Obviously they aren't screening people like they should so we do have cause to worry. Not all Africans are black so the racist thing shouldn't work on anyone with a moderate education.

[Richard Simmons]

He went to the hospital, a university hospital if I am not mistaken, and he was sent home and told he had nothing to worry about. He was brought back in an ambulance, vomiting and leaving other bodily fluids as a trail to follow. They then said he had something to worry about. The family he was staying with is now quarantined, but what about those who first treated him, anyone one who tried to help him while he was vomiting outside the apartment, etc.

If anyone exposed was infected we should know real soon since it's been a week since he first went to the hospital.

[Kadmos]

With air travel locked down, those "poor and desperate" people would have a hell of a time swimming here. And third countries in between don't matter, you still have to show a passport to enter and it doesn't magically change to the country in between when you passed through. If you've got a passport from a quarantined country, you don't get in. The only way would be to fly to Mexico and walk across, which presents two issues.

Hardly, all you need is for a American businessman in Cairo to inadvertently buy an infected rug from a unknown refugee from W. Africa, who then uses it as a blanket on the plane ride home. Himself getting it, and perhaps passing it on to whoever sits in that seat next as well.

He then gives it to his daughter as a gift and she takes it to school.

Then he screws his wife, who happens to be screwing the pool guy, who happens to be screwing half the women in the neighborhood.

Medical care does not halt the spread of ebola, isolation of the infected (which isn't happening in Africa, the people are too goddamned stupid) and waiting for mutations to weaken the strain so the outbreak "burns out" (which is how ebola outbreaks have always ended in the past) halt the spread of ebola. West Africa needs to be isolated while we wait for this outbreak to burn out. It will eventually, even if only by killing everyone too dumb to set aside cultural norms and stop messing with dead relatives bodies.

The outbreaks burned out previously because they were in small rural areas that could be reasonably quarantined. The virus replicates quickly in the body and either kills the person or doesn't. Usually in a very short period of time. A couple weeks and they are dead or healthy. Then there are no more people to infect, or those who didn't get it have successfully stayed away long enough not to get it.

Once it hits cities it's a different ballgame. You can't quarantine a city like you can a small village or family farm. You need to switch to quarantining infected people and those they came into contact with. Limit their movements.

He went to the hospital, a university hospital if I am not mistaken, and he was sent home and told he had nothing to worry about. He was brought back in an ambulance, vomiting and leaving other bodily fluids as a trail to follow. They then said he had something to worry about. The family he was staying with is now quarantined, but what about those who first treated him, anyone one who tried to help him while he was vomiting outside the apartment, etc.

Yep, knew most of that. It happens, guy comes in with what looks like a cold, gets looked at, told it's probably a cold, and gets sent home. Two days later it's definitely not a cold, that's when serious protocols kick in. Doctors are only human.

The difference is when he went to the hospital in Africa, the staff knew the woman probably had it, and they told her to hit the bricks. As soon as it was a realistic possibility here, a whole system mobilized to backtrack every person he possibly could have come into contact with, and he was of course put in isolation.

You want 10,000?

Not to show up randomly in hospital waiting rooms. But if they bring them over under quarantine, there is little risk to the general population.

[Richard Simmons]

Rather than transport them anywhere just bring in mobile hospitals in the infected areas. If you transport 10,000 here what about the 50,000 that they came in contact with that you will have to transport the next week?

[nfa1934]

A convoluted bullshit scenario where an infected person somehow finds their way here is a hell of a lot less likely than an infected person boarding a plane and flying here due to the lack of a quarantine for affected countries. Which has already happened.

You say it isn't possible to quarantine a city, yet you think it is practical to bring 10,000 infected people here to strain a system that isn't even remotely prepared to handle them.

[Kadmos]

Rather than transport them anywhere just bring in mobile hospitals in the infected areas. If you transport 10,000 here what about the 50,000 that they came in contact with that you will have to transport the next week?

Obviously it would be best to set up proper procedures and facilities there.

A convoluted bullshit scenario where an infected person somehow finds their way here is a hell of a lot less likely than an infected person boarding a plane and flying here due to the lack of a quarantine for affected countries. Which has already happened.

A convoluted "bullshit" scenario is how most of these diseases exist in the first place.

The main thing is to deal with the infected and the potentially infected, not worry about what method it will come into the country.

Closing off the easy and legal means will only increase the chance that something will sneak in. It's the people who don't show up at the hospital because they are worried about getting caught that are the bigger threat. They remain in the population longer.

You say it isn't possible to quarantine a city, yet you think it is practical to bring 10,000 infected people here to strain a system that isn't even remotely prepared to handle them.

It isn't possible to quarantine a city. But our system is prepared to handle it. Assuming the people are coming in and going straight to quarantine, we are more than capable of handling 10,000.

We could literally be ready starting from the time the first plane takes off from Africa by the time it lands.

[alismith]

A convoluted bullshit scenario where an infected person somehow finds their way here is a hell of a lot less likely than an infected person boarding a plane and flying here due to the lack of a quarantine for affected countries. Which has already happened.

You say it isn't possible to quarantine a city, yet you think it is practical to bring 10,000 infected people here to strain a system that isn't even remotely prepared to handle them.

Bingo!
http://news.yahoo.com/u-nurses-unpre...140327416.html

[1 Patriot-of-many]

So do I. Frankly, I'd much rather pay for something like that, than 99% of the other crap I pay for.



Probably not off the face of the earth forever, but this current outbreak could be eradicated.


The real worry is half-assed measures give the virus time to mutate. In reality they almost force it to mutate. If a poor bleach cleaning only stops 98% of the virus on an object from being able to attach to cells, then the 2% that survived and did transmit are the most hardy and resistant virus.

That 2% will find other ways to mutate, longer incubation period, slower less severe initial symptoms.


Consider what it would have been like if we stopped Hiv in it's tracks 30 years ago. This is actually much easier, with a couple weeks those infected will either be dead or recovered, and within a couple months the last route of transmission, sperm (ebola can transmit via sperm cells for up to 2 months after the patient has recovered), will also be cleared.

If we try to ignore it, and do nothing over there, it will spread, it will mutate, and it will be much tougher to stop.

Granted it might be 10 years before it really gets bad for us here, but the idea is to end this strain now, rather than deal with what it turns into later.

This kind of disease expands exponentially. This jackass didn't just potentially pass it on to his family members, he potentially passed it on to everyone in his originating airport he had close contact with, everyone on the plane, everyone at the arriving airport, everyone in the other plane, everyone at the arriving airport, every fucking place he stopped at. The ambulance crew was driving around for two days without being told of his contraction. I'm supposed to believe your friends at the CDC, there's nothing to worry about here in the US........

[Ruskiegunlover]

But guys remember, King Ebola Obama has made our healthcare system the best in the world! Remember, we had the 38th ranked healthcare in the world until King Ebola Obama saved us from it! We have nothing to fear.

[5.56NATO]

This paragraph perfectly sums up America’s overreaction to Ebola
http://www.vox.com/2014/10/4/6905303...red-quarantine

How the NRA is making the Ebola crisis worse
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/the-nra-m...a-crisis-worse

Ebolagate: 47 questions and answers
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/20...s-and-answers/

THE CDC & THE UN ARE FORCED TO ADMIT THAT EBOLA IS AIRBORNE
http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/20...a-is-airborne/

FEMA Camps, Mass Graves And Ebola In The US - The Time Is Now
http://allnewspipeline.com/FEMA_Camp..._And_Ebola.php

Dallas Paramedic Slams Health Officials; Was Not Informed Of Ebola Diagnosis; Drove Contaminated Ambulance For 2 Days
http://www.infowars.com/paramedic-in...ce-for-2-days/

JAMA 2002 MAY 8 ARTICLE STATES EBOLA'S AIRBORNE VIRAL TRANSMISSION CAN NOT BE RULED OUT- 26 WORLD EXPERTS
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11988060

Two adults die in Denver hospital after showing symptoms of enterovirus
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3FBwABPpU


You know, the plague that swept about 1/3 of humanity away in the 1600s was vectored by fleas and may have been airborn.
I wonder if any modern nasties will be vectored by fleas, mosquitos, or go airborn.

[NAPOTS]

The best you can do under the circumstances is not allow any foreign nationals who have been in an affected country to enter the united states, evacuate all us passport holders from those countries who are not medical personnel and place them in segregated quarantine for 21 days, don't allow any one who has a fever who has been to west Africa in the last 6 months to board a plane bound for the US.

This is possible. You can set up quarantine zones and US consulates and embassies abroad to monitor citizens wishing to return home. Set up screening at foreign airports for flights bound for the US and screen all passports and travel history for anyone flying to the US. Don't tell this is impossible because I have flown to the US from several foreign countries and I get screened and questioned before I get on the plane.

This won't stop every possible route of transmission but if we are talking a game of statistics here this would greatly improve our odds.

[sevlex]

Exactly, ban everyone holding a passport from these countries until the outbreak subsides. This is the constitutional duty of our federal government to provide for the "common good".

Anything less is an invitation to thousands of "Typhoid Marys".

[Kadmos]

This kind of disease expands exponentially. This jackass didn't just potentially pass it on to his family members, he potentially passed it on to everyone in his originating airport he had close contact with, everyone on the plane, everyone at the arriving airport, everyone in the other plane, everyone at the arriving airport, every fucking place he stopped at. The ambulance crew was driving around for two days without being told of his contraction. I'm supposed to believe your friends at the CDC, there's nothing to worry about here in the US........

It's not the flu, it simply does not spread that way. If it did then it would have been here months ago, and have infected a large percent of the world population.

Instead it's been lingering in densely populated areas, with very little spread for months. A mere 6,000 or so cases in a population of roughly half a billion people.

The transmission rates have remained fairly steady. Basically put, if you have a small household with 8 people, one of whom is infected, the likelihood is that one other person will be infected...the rest will not. And that's in African housing conditions.

Yes, it may turn out we end up with a secondary case or two connected with the guy in Dallas, but it will likely end there.

You could literally go to west Africa right now, have rough unprotected sex with 10,000 random people, and likely not come back with ebola. You'd probably come back with some other nasty stuff, but unlikely ebola.

The long and short of it, if you're worried about catching ebola in the US currently, here's what you need to do....try not to lick anyone bleeding from the eyes, ears, nose, mouth, or anus. Seriously, if you see anyone like that...don't lick them. It might be nice to call an ambulance for them, perhaps get the police involved. Other than that, you are going to be totally fine.

[ltorlo64]

The long and short of it, if you're worried about catching ebola in the US currently, here's what you need to do....try not to lick anyone bleeding from the eyes, ears, nose, mouth, or anus. Seriously, if you see anyone like that...don't lick them. It might be nice to call an ambulance for them, perhaps get the police involved. Other than that, you are going to be totally fine.

Are you saying that the only way to catch ebola is to lick someone? Just want to make sure so I can stay safe cause I thought there were other ways to catch it besides licking someone. If this is true we just need to tell people to stop licking each other. I don't know how I will say hello or good bye, or greet someone new I am meeting, but if it will stop this outbreak it is worth it.

[Goodman]

...... Other than that, you are going to be totally fine.

Right. It's also extremely unlikely that I will be the victim of a terrorist attack. By your reasoning I should not only not object to terrorists entering the country, I should encourage the government bringing such people to USA so we can deal with them on our own soil

[Kadmos]

Are you saying that the only way to catch ebola is to lick someone? Just want to make sure so I can stay safe cause I thought there were other ways to catch it besides licking someone. If this is true we just need to tell people to stop licking each other. I don't know how I will say hello or good bye, or greet someone new I am meeting, but if it will stop this outbreak it is worth it.

While it does transmit in other ways, yes..if you stop licking random people, you will not get ebola.

To be fair though, currently you can lick 319,999,999 or so Americans and not get ebola. Just don't lick that one guy in Dallas.

The "don't lick strangers" precaution that I am currently employing to prevent myself from getting ebola is probably overkill, but better safe than sorry

Right. It's also extremely unlikely that I will be the victim of a terrorist attack. By your reasoning I should not only not object to terrorists entering the country, I should encourage the government bringing such people to USA so we can deal with them on our own soil

That's pretty close to what we do now, it's called Gitmo.

It's sort of like how we currently lock up known criminals, or people with violent mental illnesses.

Except it would be way more effective, as they would be brought into the country, supervised, and knowing exactly what they have and how to deal with them.

[nfa1934]

Wow! I never realized deadly hemorrhagic fevers were only transmitted by licking people! This is all solved now! People in West Africa just need to be taught to refrain from licking others who are vomiting and shitting blood! I guess the list of things to lick is no longer ice cream cones, lollipops, and people covered in bloody vomit and feces. It would all be okay if only the Dallas patient hadn't licked the infected pregnant lady he was trying to help in Liberia. Who knew?

[5.56NATO]

It's a virus, they're really small, they can go airborn in a sneeze or cough.
When this gets rolling I expect ems types (let alone others in healthcare) to stop showing up for work.