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    First Signs Of Collapse?

    When the real collapse occurs, what are some of the signs to be looking out for?

    I mean, will it be a quick fall, or a slow one?

    If slow, what are some of the things that will start showing up before the collapse, like inflation slowly going up, gas and oil prices start rising uncontrollably, devaluation of the dollar, bank loans stop, or anything else that can be seen, or felt, before the nose dive?

    Is there any sure signs that will indicate a collapse?

    Just curious...
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    I think it will just happen and it will not take long to happen.
    I also believe that economics is the trigger. we, the whole world,
    are doing strange monetary things everyday. plus all transactions
    are digital or whatever and that system is fragile as hell to some person
    or group that wants to take it down. domino..........
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    From local experience expanded to federal all it takes is the signing of the "wrong" bill into law. Almost immediate peaceful mobs on the streets blocking traffic.

    From not to far away experience, an incident occurs which causes a group of people to become an out of control mob burning, looting and doing uncivil things.

    It doesn't take long lately to go from full peaceful co-existence to out and out mayhem.

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    Once it starts it will be VERY quick and very catastrophic. Right now the worlds business is transacted in U.S. dollars. Once the dollar starts a collapse, the world business will all suddenly dump the dollar. The would will be so flooded with dollars that toilet paper will be worth more.
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    I think it depends on where you are at. Take Ferguson for example. It took less that a day for it to deteriorate, but it was localized. It got worse in other areas more slowly and this time, it stopped. The problem will come if it does not stop spreading or if multiple trigger events happen at once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ltorlo64 View Post
    I think it depends on where you are at. Take Ferguson for example. It took less that a day for it to deteriorate, but it was localized. It got worse in other areas more slowly and this time, it stopped. The problem will come if it does not stop spreading or if multiple trigger events happen at once.
    Like you said, Ferguson was local and the US economy didn't collapse. People knew, even when they got finished protesting, that the world was still there and they could still work, buy food, get paid, go about living a normal life, etc. The world was still there for them.

    I guess what I'm looking for are signs of a national, or worldwide, economic collapse. What would be the signs of that happening, before it actually happened? Stock market crash, oil prices skyrocket, money becoming worthless, etc.?

    Would there be any signs of that kind of collapse coming? I'm reading advertisements of, supposedly, billionaires saying the economy is going to tank. But, they could just be saying that to get people to buy what they have to sell. I don't trust what the ads have to say.
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    The stock market has crashed more than once, and amazingly the country still exists. Oil prices skyrocketed, there were lines at the gas stations (1973) but we recovered from that. Gas prices skyrocketed again not too long ago but we withstood that too.

    Heck this country withstood a crazy civil war in the mid-1800s and we recovered. All it takes is time and the luck not to get in the way of all the shooting, looting or otherwise rediculousness that happened.

    Doom and gloom has always been around and will always be going to happen any day, guaranteed, yet we have still managed to make it back to some normalcy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imanaknut View Post
    The stock market has crashed more than once, and amazingly the country still exists. Oil prices skyrocketed, there were lines at the gas stations (1973) but we recovered from that. Gas prices skyrocketed again not too long ago but we withstood that too.

    Heck this country withstood a crazy civil war in the mid-1800s and we recovered. All it takes is time and the luck not to get in the way of all the shooting, looting or otherwise rediculousness that happened.

    Doom and gloom has always been around and will always be going to happen any day, guaranteed, yet we have still managed to make it back to some normalcy.
    Yeah. This shows America's resiliency, but before, we had a President who tried to keep us on the right track and bring things back to normal.

    Now, we have a Resident who is hell bent on bringing America down and precipitating a collapse. I'm not sure we will be able to bounce back like we used to, or, at the very least, as quickly as we have done in the past.

    I just hope our resiliency is able to bring us back next time.
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    I think that the next 21 months will be a big challenge for our country if that SOCIALIST in charge keeps on doing the wrong things to bring down our country! Then I think we will be on the brink of..........
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    A "run" on banks, bank holidays, and inability to get your money out of a bank would be a bad sign. Also, the sudden shutting down of the Internet would likewise be a bad sign. Lastly, if people who own guns, have conservative political views, and so forth (like people posting here) start to disappear that is a bad sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imanaknut View Post
    The stock market has crashed more than once, and amazingly the country still exists. Oil prices skyrocketed, there were lines at the gas stations (1973) but we recovered from that. Gas prices skyrocketed again not too long ago but we withstood that too.

    Heck this country withstood a crazy civil war in the mid-1800s and we recovered. All it takes is time and the luck not to get in the way of all the shooting, looting or otherwise rediculousness that happened.

    Doom and gloom has always been around and will always be going to happen any day, guaranteed, yet we have still managed to make it back to some normalcy.
    If a big collapse occurs we will not return to normalcy. One big difference between now and the Civil War is the transition of State Militia units to Federal control which I believe is a result of the National Defense Act of 1916. The thing that will (in the future) prevent a return to normalcy will be the drastic demographic changes in the country implemented by Barrack Obama. Tell me if I am wrong but these people coming to the U.S. from Mexico and Central America do not know anything about our Constitution and rights, and don't care to learn. People coming here from Asia who to a large degree are fleeing Communism vote for progressive politicians. I wish I thought otherwise, but our country as we know it has maybe 40 years left at the most.

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    When "they" hit the power grid. Expect all hell to break loose. Taking down the power grid will send this country back to the 1800's over night.

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    Yeah, a long term grid-down hit would do it. But the 1800's is being optomistic. People were self-reliant back then and more kind.
    As for a money crash, I suspect it would be a slower process. Time will tell.

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    AB - the people were more "self-reliant" back then because they HAD to be! There weren't enough "close neighbors" to come help quickly.
    Also, we have become so "civilized" that scientists have found that our brains are shrinking. We no longer have to memorize so many things, such as how to run a trap line, raise crops and animals, how to butcher them, how to hunt effectively, etc., and we aren't even bothering to remember peoples names anymore as we have them "recorded" on our cellphones.
    Why take up skull space, blood supply, more food to support such, when we can just store things on our phones or "thumb drives" or other "external memory"?

    The "civilized" human race is de-evolving. Or degenerating if you think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTHunter View Post
    The "civilized" human race is de-evolving. Or degenerating if you think about it.
    Which is really the natural order of things.
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    The problem with answering this is that the trigger could be any number of events... and depending on exactly how it goes down, that will determine how fast it goes down.

    If it's the dollar under attack - several large countries completely flushing their treasury bonds and announcing a that they will no longer use dollars and will go with a new central bank (already in development) then the next thing you'll see is the stock market take a huge dump as people flee trying to save their ass. Then, a run on bank accounts - people will be afraid of not having access to their money - and of course, the banks can't handle it. And it just goes down from there - one day.

    See, the thing is, people today - enough people anyway are actually aware of the consequences of various economic events. They know it can be trouble and panic - causing a huge problem all by their collective action.

    There are just so many variables - war could develop and that would most probably be a bit slower to develop the negative economic impact. Or, it may be overnight....

    Personally, I think it's best to be prepared for a quick downfall. Have emergency cash on-hand if you can swing it. Don't have all of your investments/savings locked up in stocks (401K's with mutual funds, etc.) putting you money into cash funds may not give a good return, but the value won't fall with the stock market either... but it will still be hard to get out - or impossible depending on what the .gov does.

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    in an urban or suburban area? Have a bug out to go to? Then be ready for a rapid exit if you need to get to it
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    Could this be a sign of a major collapse?

    (Found this article in the GD section, started by copterdoctor.)

    http://investmentresearchdynamics.co...g-to-collapse/
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    Maybe! Been watching the market on gold and silver lately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by recon View Post
    Maybe! Been watching the market on gold and silver lately.
    I deal with Provident Metals and I've noticed a lot of their fractional silver and copper are out of stock...more so than usual. My guess is it's caused by what is stated in the article. However, what bullion they have in stock is pretty much the same price it has been.
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    I never understood buying fractional silver or copper bullion in any size. for silver you will pay more in mark up than the actual value of silver, if you want small silver that badly just buy a $50 or $100 dollar face value bag of pre-65 quarters and dimes, the mark up is high but much less than minted bullion. And copper is $2.34 a pound, if i was going to buy copper I would just buy spools of copper wire or scrap.

    Apmex has german minted 1 kilo copper bars for 64.99, which means people are paying $29.54 a pound or over a 1000% mark up. or say you buy a 1oz copper round at 99 cents, you are paying 14.46 a lbs or a 500% mark up.
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