Chuckie Schumer defies the obama

[l921428x]

And some are saying he is doing it so he can make
some money from his donors. Basically that he can oppose
the iranian deal knowing the obama will veto the down vote
and congress will not have the votes to override. Cynical yes
but just maybe he is really having second thoughts. IDK, but just
maybe the old fuck realizes he is playing with and does not want
to make a deal with the Devil.

One thing I do know is, if/when iran goes nuclear and then turns Israel
into glass I would NOT want my name associated (for all history) with
the fact I helped kill thousands, hundreds of thousands or more
depending on how other countries react. We all know Tehran would
not survive.

[CigarGuy]

And some are saying he is doing it so he can make
some money from his donors. Basically that he can oppose
the iranian deal knowing the obama will veto the down vote
and congress will not have the votes to override. Cynical yes
but just maybe he is really having second thoughts. IDK, but just
maybe the old fuck realizes he is playing with and does not want
to make a deal with the Devil.

One thing I do know is, if/when iran goes nuclear and then turns Israel
into glass I would NOT want my name associated (for all history) with
the fact I helped kill thousands, hundreds of thousands or more
depending on how other countries react. We all know Tehran would
not survive.

SURE they are counting votes right now to see how many of them they can get away with this, knowing
the Pres will give them political cover.

[ltorlo64]

What I don't understand is how Congress can allow the President to negotiate a treaty (not a deal) and then threaten a veto if they don't ratify it. This is the height of lawyerism, change the name so that what I do is legal, though be definition what I am doing is unconstitutional.

[l921428x]

Good question, I had not thought of it this way. It would have to be built in, I would think. But with the obama
who knows.

http://www.regentsprep.org/regents/u...ent/checks.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/15/us...alks.html?_r=0

[alismith]

What I don't understand is how Congress can allow the President to negotiate a treaty (not a deal) and then threaten a veto if they don't ratify it. This is the height of lawyerism, change the name so that what I do is legal, though be definition what I am doing is unconstitutional.

He's done this with EVERY Executive Order he's ever written. Why stop at EO's when he knows he can get away with anything he does...

[5.56NATO]

It'd be "funny" to see Israel get Pollard and schum schum find a way to block the Iran deal.

[Ruskiegunlover]

I think its going to be even better when the iranians develop a bomb and bammer gets some egg.

I also will add, rather controversialy, that I think isreal needs to show the world they HAVE the bomb by glassing over a couple of these nuke sites in iran. Of course, the Isreal hating anti-semites on here will object, as will some other rational people on here that I respectfully disagree with. A question: Japan HATED America 70 years ago. Desperatly wanted to defeat us. We were at war with them. Had they developed the bomb first, would they have used it on US? You bet. Is Israel at war with Iran? Frankly, yes, only an 'American' socialist would deny that. So, if Israel is at war with a country that seeks their destruction openly, declares it, and wants it......How is it any less moral and justified for them to attack Iranian nuke sites with mushroom clouds? Then, go public and state that Israel does not feel it is at war with the Iranian people, just the government and nuke program, and that they did not attack population centers and will not unless Hezbollah or terrorists attack Israeli civilians.

I want to see this happen. Fuck Iran, and fuck Russia. Russia frankly deserves the same for supplying Iran with the tech and reactors. If I sell a gun to someone that is openly discussing killing someone, am I not an accessory to a crime? Partially responsible? How should the person being threatened feel towards me when I sell their enemy a weapon TO KILL THEM WITH?

[Ruskiegunlover]

'Mr. President, its not that we wouldn't get our hair mussed.....But we'd only suffer maybe 3-4 million civilian casualties, uh, depending on the breaks....'

[ltorlo64]

He's done this with EVERY Executive Order he's ever written. Why stop at EO's when he knows he can get away with anything he does...

The EOs he can claim, and the MSM doesn't bother to check, that he is doing what every other president has done. With the Iran deal, he is making a treaty and calling it something else. Of course the one common thread is the MSM not investigating and reporting on his blatant violation of the Constitution which was given cover when Congress passed a law saying they got the chance to review and approve it. By not calling it a treaty, which is already covered by the Constitution, they open the door to the President vetoing Congress should they not vote for the treaty, in essence allowing him to make a treaty without congressional approval. This is blatantly a violation of the Constitution and the separation of powers but we have become so dumb as a country most people don't understand it. He is making a deal with Iran and a bunch of other countries, he is not making a treaty. Of course, they cannot tell you the difference and they don't care to figure out what the difference is, but hey, it is a deal not a treaty.

[JTHunter]

As far as this so-called "treaty" is concerned, I have heard a couple of news stories that part of this deal is that the U.S. will help defend Iranian sites from ALL aggressors. Repeat - ALL. Doesn't matter if it is China, Russia, or Israel.

WW3 just got a WHOLE lot closer!

[Altarboy]

I hard that too JT.

[El Laton Caliente]

What I don't understand is how Congress can allow the President to negotiate a treaty (not a deal) and then threaten a veto if they don't ratify it. This is the height of lawyerism, change the name so that what I do is legal, though be definition what I am doing is unconstitutional.

I see no place in the Constitution where congress is allowed to NOT follow treaty law and procedures. This whole mess is illegal.

[ltorlo64]

I see no place in the Constitution where congress is allowed to NOT follow treaty law and procedures. This whole mess is illegal.

Neither do I and it irritates me that I am figuring this out so late. I should have been letting people know about this months ago when Congress was passing the bill legitimizing the President's actions. I fell down on the job of being a good citizen and voter on this one.

[Full Otto]

but just maybe the old fuck realizes.............

This is probably closer to his reasoning

Anybody catch this little tid-bit

http://allenbwest.com/2015/07/you-wi...hters-wedding/

Secretary Kerry and Zarif first met over a decade ago at a dinner party hosted by George Soros at his Manhattan penthouse. What a surprise. I have to say, connecting the dots gets more and more frightening.
But it gets even worse. Guess who was the best man at the 2009 wedding between Kerry’s daughter Vanessa and Behrouz Vala Nahed? Javad Zarif’s son.


Then there's this:

http://allenbwest.com/2015/08/iran-j...ready-for-war/

According to a report in the Taiwanese press, China is set to provide the Islamic Republic with 24 J-10 fighter jets.
In exchange, Iran will permit China access to its largest oilfield for the next 20 years. The total estimated value of the deal is $1 billion.
The J-10, which is known by the moniker “Vigorous Dragon,” is an advanced combat aircraft which foreign sources say is based on the original designs of the Lavi, the Israeli prototype whose manufacturing was canceled in the 1980s.
The Lavi was built and developed by Israel Aircraft Industries, though the government eventually decided to terminate the program due to the high costs of production and after the US offered to sell Israel F-16s as an alternative. After the cancellation, the Israeli government resolved to sell the plans to China.

[blacksheep]

http://news.yahoo.com/video/schumer-...203400554.html


Dog and pony show I expect him to sell out his own country.

These MFrs would sell us all out in a second.

[l921428x]

Neither do I and it irritates me that I am figuring this out so late. I should have been letting people know about this months ago when Congress was passing the bill legitimizing the President's actions. I fell down on the job of being a good citizen and voter on this one.

Hey buddy there is a lot going on a for any one person to keep up with.

[l921428x]

This really bothers me. Read the story and the comments. Seems quite a few are not worried about the Iranian bomb and what will happen.
It is not so much Buchanan but the comments.

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/08/obam...#axzz3iF5vvKYC

[5.56NATO]

I have often thought that it's irrelevant if they have centrifuges and enrichment facilities and so on BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH EASIER TO BUY A NUKE FROM PAKISTAN OR RUSSIA OR CHINA OR NORTH KOREA than going through the process of building your own. I bet they already have working atomic weapons.
http://www.cfr.org/weapons-of-mass-d...se-nukes/p9549
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../comments.html
http://www.quora.com/How-many-nuclea...e-Soviet-Union

[Schuetzenman]

I think its going to be even better when the iranians develop a bomb and bammer gets some egg.

I also will add, rather controversialy, that I think isreal needs to show the world they HAVE the bomb by glassing over a couple of these nuke sites in iran. Of course, the Isreal hating anti-semites on here will object, as will some other rational people on here that I respectfully disagree with. A question: Japan HATED America 70 years ago. Desperatly wanted to defeat us. We were at war with them. Had they developed the bomb first, would they have used it on US? You bet. Is Israel at war with Iran? Frankly, yes, only an 'American' socialist would deny that. So, if Israel is at war with a country that seeks their destruction openly, declares it, and wants it......How is it any less moral and justified for them to attack Iranian nuke sites with mushroom clouds? Then, go public and state that Israel does not feel it is at war with the Iranian people, just the government and nuke program, and that they did not attack population centers and will not unless Hezbollah or terrorists attack Israeli civilians.

I want to see this happen. Fuck Iran, and fuck Russia. Russia frankly deserves the same for supplying Iran with the tech and reactors. If I sell a gun to someone that is openly discussing killing someone, am I not an accessory to a crime? Partially responsible? How should the person being threatened feel towards me when I sell their enemy a weapon TO KILL THEM WITH?

I TOTALLY AGREE with this post. Israel needs to just go ahead and nuke Iran already and fuck Russia and Putin!

[Ruskiegunlover]

I noticed no one commented on the moral dilema I posited. How was it RIGHT, as I believe it was, to microwave 200,000 japs to end WWII 70 years ago, but not ok for Israel to do the same to people every bit as fanatical and bent on Israel's destruction? Who are trying to build nuclear weapons?