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    Is "confiscation" just around the corner?

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    The following are excerpts from a NYT op-ed from April 2014 about the "No Fly" and Terror Watch lists. Now they seem to have changed their opinion. (I almost said "mind" but we don't know if they have a functioning one.)

    And remember, at one time, the "Chappaquidick killer", Sen. Teddy Kennedy, was on the No Fly list too.


    A 2007 audit found that more than half of the 71,000 names then on the no-fly list were wrongly included.
    This would be laughable if it weren’t such a violation of basic rights. A democratic society premised on due process and open courts cannot tolerate such behavior.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/19/op...?_r=1&referer=

    As if that weren't bad enough, legislation has been proposed here in Illinois (HB4359) that would use those lists.

    As for those lists, another poster put it this way:
    NO-FLY LIST Q&A:
    1. Q: How does a person get on the No-Fly List? A: That's a secret.
    2. Q: Who adds names to the No-Fly List? A: Bureaucrats and political appointees.
    3. Q: By whose authority are names added to the No-Fly List? A: That's a secret.
    4. Q: Can a person's name be placed on the No-Fly List for political reasons? A: That's a secret.
    5. Q: Does a person have to be convicted of a crime to be on the No-Fly List? A: No.
    6. Q: Is a person whose name is on the No-Fly List given the opportunity to face their accuser(s)? A: No.
    7. Q: Does a person's name remain on the list forever? A: Probably.
    8. Q: How many names were on the No-Fly List when Obama took office? A: 50,000.
    9. Q: How many names are on the No-Fly List today? A: 750,000.
    10. Q: Is the No-Fly List a dangerous affront to liberty? A: Yes.

    WHAT DOES HB4359 MEAN TO YOU?
    IF THIS BILL PASSES AND YOU EVER END UPON THE NO-FLY LIST:
    NO ARREST
    NO TRIAL
    NO JUDGE
    NO JURY
    NO APPEAL
    NO GUNS
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    This whole liberal wet dream is predicated on an end run around "due process" laws and rights.

    Just another aspect of Barack Insane's "transparent administration."
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    I laugh when I hear about confiscation of firearms. Can you imagine how many federal marshals it would take to confiscate firearms from over 100,000,000 owners? Especially if just one percent decide to fight back? The shot heard 'round the world would be a nightly occurrence.

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    They do not have the muscle.

    In New York State, the police and sheriffs outside NYC, have flat out refused to enforce new control laws. On police forums you see the same story, they will not go door to door.

    When liberals are reminded or shown the above they say, "we'll just send in the military, they have to follow orders" well the military is the single most conservative organization in the USA, and as much as liberals would like, they are not mindless robots.

    It would mean civil war, but it would be a short one, it would be the major cities, versus the rest of America. They could be starved out easy enough, and we have all the good equipment and all the people that know how to use them.
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    Has anyone here been on that No Fly list?

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    How would we know unless we try to fly. Based on that I know I was not as of November. I will find out again in March.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shorthair View Post
    Has anyone here been on that No Fly list?
    I knew people that had matching / similar names. It takes an act of GOD to get it straightened out. Back when they first started it there was no way set up to remove somebody.
    We found out what "dealing" with progressive lefties is all about. Our side gives up something, they give up nothing and the progressives come back in a month or a year and want us to give up more... rinse and repeat...

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    My thought is when Janet Napolitano labeled Right Wing Extremists as a National Security Threat. NST people would be put on the no fly list. Obama might say that people on the NFL can't buy firearms. So the DHS monitors the NICS background checks and when the person that is on the list tries to buy a gun they get a knock on their door...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatedbysheeple View Post
    They do not have the muscle.
    It would mean civil war, but it would be a short one, it would be the major cities, versus the rest of America. They could be starved out easy enough, and we have all the good equipment and all the people that know how to use them.
    Sheeple, I think they DO have the muscle.

    Think about it. If you were to take just HALF of Romney's "47%" from the 20 largest cities and GIVE them all kinds of military weapons and GIVE them "free rein" on who to kill, they would have a huge supply of roaming marauders. Then they declare martial law (if they haven't already) and send in the military to mop up.
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    Confiscation will mean civil war. Period.

    This is one move that the do-nothing congress would have to block. The military would likely act as well.

    Nobody outside of obummer and his communist/muzzy brotherhood crew want civil war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shorthair View Post
    Has anyone here been on that No Fly list?




    how can one be put on a list without due process ??????????????????????????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helen Keller View Post
    how can one be put on a list without due process ??????????????????????????
    For a "transparent administration" it's not a problem at all...
    "Valar morghulis; valar dohaeris."

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    Tray Gowdy asked that question and the poor woman had no clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTHunter View Post
    Sheeple, I think they DO have the muscle.

    Think about it. If you were to take just HALF of Romney's "47%" from the 20 largest cities and GIVE them all kinds of military weapons and GIVE them "free rein" on who to kill, they would have a huge supply of roaming marauders. Then they declare martial law (if they haven't already) and send in the military to mop up.
    Don't forget the DHS, the President's private army, that has unlimited arms, ammunition, and military vehicles at its disposal.

    Why would Obama want an uncontrollable horde having weapons when he can have a controllable army under his command.
    "Valar morghulis; valar dohaeris."

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    My Spirit Animal has rabies.

    I'd rather be an American than a Democrat.

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    If hypothetically a president decided to toss out the constitution and use federal troops with big guns against the infringed masses, those troops might find that they are not targeted, but they will no longer have a family to come home to. I hope it never comes down to it, but anyone blindly following a true rogue president would need to think twice about opening fire on we the people, of which they are a part.

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