Antidepressants and mass shootings

[5.56NATO]

So here we see that the most commonly prescribed antidepressants are attributed with causing dementia;

If you have ever taken Valium, Xanax, or some other benzodiazepine to calm your nerves or sleep better, you may have felt woozy or hungover the next day. Experts have long assumed that people’s heads would clear once they stopped taking the drug. That may not be the case. A study published by the journal BMJ suggests that benzodiazepine use may promote the development of dementia.
http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/b...e-201409107397

This would explain at least some of the shootings.

[O.S.O.K.]

Practically every time there's a mass shooting/murder, we find that the murder was on some kind of anti-depressant.

These are very profitable drugs for the Pharm companies and they pay high bonuses to docs for prescribing them. They are handing them out like candy to kids in college.

I think this is the main reason we are seeing the level of mass killings that we are. These meds should be strictly controlled and when used, the patients should be closely monitored - perhaps even require them to be confined and studied to determine their reaction to the drugs before they are allowed to be free to roam about.

In place of the drugs, people should get counseling and be taught to use exercise, meditation and diet to help with their problems. Drugs are not the answer here.

[l921428x]

Hell if you listen to the tv commercials for some drugs
they talk of suicidal thoughts. That in it self should give pause to the thought
of taking these drugs.

[Richard Simmons]

Not sure there is a connection between the actions of what, 20 or so individuals over a decade or more with a drug taken by roughly 30,000,000 Americans. Seems like we'd be seeing a few thousand mass shootings a week. I bet 100% of mass shooters were vaccinated against measles, or mumps or even flu shots.

[ltorlo64]

Not sure there is a connection between the actions of what, 20 or so individuals over a decade or more with a drug taken by roughly 30,000,000 Americans. Seems like we'd be seeing a few thousand mass shootings a week. I bet 100% of mass shooters were vaccinated against measles, or mumps or even flu shots.

I think it has less to do with the medication and more to do with the mental issues that were under-diagnosed. Having seen how the medication effects some people (makes them not care about anything) I could see how the medication combined with under-diagnosed severe mental illness could be a factor (not the single cause, though) of these attacks. As you point out the sheer number of people on these people on these drugs, if it was a single point cause, should result in many more shootings.

[alismith]

I think it has a lot to do with the Liberal agenda and how young kids are raised by overindulgent parents and taught, in school, that everyone is a winner no matter how badly you perform. As these kids grow up, they begin to see how all these things don't play out the way they were told they would. Their classmates tease them, bully them, and generally ignore them as they don't tend to fit into any particular group. They become introverted, as they feel safer separating from their peers. They come to feel that they are alone in a world that isn't fair and they begin to feel slighted by everyone.

When they begin to lash out at the "unfairness" of everything, they are met with more ridicule, bullying, and name-calling. Soon, they feel they are hated and being singled out. As they decide to fight back, they start thinking about ways to get back at other people for not treating them the way they were supposed to. They hear liberal platitudes everywhere telling them that the world is a great and caring place, where everyone treats everyone else as winners and equals.

This further makes them retreat in their own little world and they shrink further away from other people.

Over time, they feel so separated from humanity, they no longer see people as living beings, but as objects that have to be taught a lesson. After all, it's other peoples' fault they have treated them this way.

Eventually, they decide to get even by taking a course of action that will get everyone's attention and teach them a lesson for the way they treated him. The most extreme action that could be taken is to attack other people in a way they have no control over.

This is the extreme "lesson" that allows the perp to have full control over everything and gives him a sense of
"success," which he can attain and which is his crowning achievement. If he is killed afterwards, it makes no difference as he has succeeded in reaching the pinnacle of his life.

Whether he will be considered evil or not is of no consequence. He will have gotten even for all the negatives the "real world" hurled on him.

Just my two cents...

[5.56NATO]

I am guessing some of you guys are on these things and could give some insight on their effects. My thinking on them is along the lines of these mass shooter folks had issues beforehand, what the ssris do is take the brakes off the car, the disconnector from the trigger group, the behavioral inhibitor is overridden with thoughts and ideas that should not be acted out.

Why would anyone take something that says right on the little sheet of paper it comes with it may result in thoughts of suicide or murder?
How are they antidepressants, aren't they more like the opposite? I also have the idea that along with removing inhibitions they also act as mood amplifiers; if you're happy, you're really happy on ssris, and if you're depressed, you're really depressed on ssris.

[Richard Simmons]

I am guessing some of you guys are on these things and could give some insight on their effects. My thinking on them is along the lines of these mass shooter folks had issues beforehand, what the ssris do is take the brakes off the car, the disconnector from the trigger group, the behavioral inhibitor is overridden with thoughts and ideas that should not be acted out.

Why would anyone take something that says right on the little sheet of paper it comes with it may result in thoughts of suicide or murder?
How are they antidepressants, aren't they more like the opposite? I also have the idea that along with removing inhibitions they also act as mood amplifiers; if you're happy, you're really happy on ssris, and if you're depressed, you're really depressed on ssris.

And I'm guessing others should be.

[NAPOTS]

for what it is worth about 12 years ago I was working through some tough personal issues and was on them for a little while. They turn you into a zombie. I never had any homicidal thoughts but in retrospect I got the feeling that if I did I would have been indifferent to them. I felt numb to all emotions and very not-human in that regard. I think they are poison and would only tell someone to take them if you really need them. What you need is your close family and friends to help support you while you work out your problems, not drugs. Also, you go through widthdrawl when you try to get off of them and feel very sick. I was pretty pissed about that part.

[rktman]

The problem with correlating antidepressants to gun violence is that it is probably a very small correlation.
Everyone's life becomes a Shit-Show (Deadpool) every once in a while. Antidepressants can help people get through those times.
Giving them to kids might not be the best idea. The human brain needs to be encouraged to grow normally up in to the mid 20's.
They need to learn to win and fail and how to deal with that in a healthy way. Boys need to be allowed to fight and get it over with rather than bottle it up for years.

Side note, I was listening to Doctor Radio the other day and they were talking about gun violence statistics.
Suicides (not just homicides followed by a suicide) are reported in the national stats, which creates a much higher (and artificial) gun violence rate.

[5.56NATO]

The problem with correlating antidepressants to gun violence is that it is probably a very small correlation.
Everyone's life becomes a Shit-Show (Deadpool) every once in a while. Antidepressants can help people get through those times.
Giving them to kids might not be the best idea. The human brain needs to be encouraged to grow normally up in to the mid 20's.
They need to learn to win and fail and how to deal with that in a healthy way. Boys need to be allowed to fight and get it over with rather than bottle it up for years.

Side note, I was listening to Doctor Radio the other day and they were talking about gun violence statistics.
Suicides (not just homicides followed by a suicide) are reported in the national stats, which creates a much higher (and artificial) gun violence rate.

So you feel these drugs should be taken by depressed adults, drugs wich may cause thoughts of suicide or homicide?

[rktman]

If truly depressed to the point of medicating, you are probably already thinking about suicide. Certainly not a doctor, but yes I believe it helps some people.
Homicidal thoughts need to be reported to the doctor from the patient to change meds accordingly.