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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatedbysheeple View Post
    Ron Paul also wants open borders, and global free trade, both of which are currently fucking us.

    You want free trade, ok, be ready for America to eat a 100 year shit sandwich while all industry is outsourced to countries with actual slave labor. Free trade in pure form is like socialism, its grand promises do not translate into the real world. Why would a company like Milwaukee power tools pay $20 dollars an hour for American workers when it can pay $20 dollars a day to someone in China, with no insurance or benefits. Because of the kindness of their heart?

    Open borders are only a problem for weak democracies with citizens that allow their rights to be voted on by their neighbors and allow their government to subsidize immigration. Free trade results in greater prosperity through more efficiency of allocation of resources than central planners can produce, whether elected or otherwise. Yes America would lose some of its global advantages without its protectionist economic policies, but that's because our entire economy is a protected bubble, growing bigger and bigger until its finally breaks, like the housing industry in 2008. Better to let the market correct itself now, in my opinion, than to drag us into WW3/CW2 in a vain attempt to duct tape the wheels back on this train.

    The government claiming that its policies are "free trade" is as laughable as LAGC calling himself a libertarian. Don't blame TARP on free trade when it's really government controlled trade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyPertwee View Post
    Open borders are only a problem for weak democracies with citizens that allow their rights to be voted on by their neighbors and allow their government to subsidize immigration. Free trade results in greater prosperity through more efficiency of allocation of resources than central planners can produce, whether elected or otherwise. Yes America would lose some of its global advantages without its protectionist economic policies, but that's because our entire economy is a protected bubble, growing bigger and bigger until its finally breaks, like the housing industry in 2008. Better to let the market correct itself now, in my opinion, than to drag us into WW3/CW2 in a vain attempt to duct tape the wheels back on this train.

    The government claiming that its policies are "free trade" is as laughable as LAGC calling himself a libertarian. Don't blame TARP on free trade when it's really government controlled trade.
    Explain how a stronger democracy with more rights would stem the influx of violent predators from South America, or the workers that will work for .10 on the dollar.

    Free trade is just that, free, do you think the current system isn't working because it isn't free enough, that somehow if it was just a little more open with less controls the companies that are closing plants and shipping jobs overseas as fast as they can would change their minds? Or maybe the American people would start buying American made products, do you have any real world examples of what you consider free trade working on a global or near global scale. How would shifting our entire manufacturing base to Asia and South America and crashing our economy fix things? All it would do is send us into a burning tailspin, welcome to serfdom.

    The adjustment of the global economy will not be in our favor, ever, it will drag us as a nation and people down into the mud, and we will join the majority of the world where 98% live in poverty, rat shacks of trash held together by more trash and working themselves to death.
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    In my last post I was talking primarily about Rand Paul and his reluctance to back a republican over an unconvicted felon. Like it or not, by not backing your party, you are in essence backing the opposition.

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    Nah. Supporting a candidate is supporting a candidate, and not supporting a candidate is not supporting a candidate.

    The idea that not supporting one candidate equates providing support for another is some "war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength" bullshit made up to keep the two parties in power.

    And besides, Rand Paul DOES support Trump. http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/06/ra...nald-trump-the

    "You know, I've always said I will endorse the nominee," said Paul. "I think it's almost a patriotic duty of anyone in Kentucky to oppose the Clintons, because I think they're rotten to the core, I think they're dishonest people, and ultimately I think we have to be concerned with what's best for Kentucky."
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    BOY DID I EVER SCREW UP!!!!

    Sorry friends, wrong "Paul". I had my brain somewhere else getting "Paul Ryan" mixed up with "Rand Paul".

    It was Paul Ryan who as of now will not support Trump.

    Took me most of when most were sleeping to figure out that I had the wrong person. Sorry!!!!!!!!!!


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    Paul Ryan is something else altogether. Rand, unlike his father, is supporting the presumptive nominee Donald Trump. Rand Paul sticks by his "Libertarian-ish" Republican stance. He's the inside man, so to speak.

    Ron Paul, as we all know, stopped supporting the GOP years ago. Ron Paul has gotten off the 2 party hamster wheel and gone deep into the libertarian party movement indefinitely. He's done with the GOP, only swayed toward the GOP to support his sons run.
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