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    Not saying this applies to the people here, but I believe the Republican establishment types who bash Trump are for illegal immigration, unfair trade (which they call free trade) and a foreign policy of America first which is contrary to the neocon desire to fight no-win wars at every opportunity killing and maiming American soldiers for nothing other than profit. The Republican establishment thumps the Bible at every opportunity but they serve mammon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet3534 View Post
    Not saying this applies to the people here, but I believe the Republican establishment types who bash Trump are for illegal immigration, unfair trade (which they call free trade) and a foreign policy of America first which is contrary to the neocon desire to fight no-win wars at every opportunity killing and maiming American soldiers for nothing other than profit. The Republican establishment thumps the Bible at every opportunity but they serve mammon.
    What was Trump doing while Cruz was getting the Heller decision??? Giving money to Hillary? or was it Obama?Or maybe Chuck Schumer? Or was he saying assault weapons should be banned...... Can't remember which.

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    I obviously intended to say the establishment is NOT for an American-first policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Patriot-of-many View Post
    What was Trump doing while Cruz was getting the Heller decision??? Giving money to Hillary? or was it Obama?Or maybe Chuck Schumer? Or was he saying assault weapons should be banned...... Can't remember which.
    He was probably doing what many of us have done at one time or another - compromising principles for pragmatic reasons. But now for what ever he has decided to stand up for America. With respect to so called assault weapons I believe it was a Republican (Reagan) who signed the legislation that more or less banned the ownership of full auto firearms. Yes I know I can buy one if I kowtow to my local sheriff and get him to sign a form and pay an absurd price based in part on the Reagan signed legislation freezing the number of legal full auto guns. BTW, didn't Reagan sign a bill to outlaw open carry in CA.

    Here is a trivia question - which conservative Republican said the following:

    “I don’t know why any individual should have a right to have a revolver in his house,” “The kids usually kill themselves with it and so forth.” He asked why “can’t we go after handguns, period?”
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    The problem is rinos aren't conservative, they're dems playing up to conservatives. The true conservatives in the rep party are always looking for true conservative leadership and never really getting it, they're all rinos that are promoted by the rino establishment, well, maybe not Dr Carson. Trump has been a NYC dem for 99 percent of his life and suddenly becomes the conservative candidate, to the chagrin of the rinos and dems alike. Lets hope he's not acting and will do as he says he will in office, otherwise you'll have a hildabeast/0bama/w regime once again, just like if Cruz or Rubio was in office.
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    Is Trump a conservative, republican, democrat, liberal? I think not. Is he an American? HELL YES! He might be a bit hard to listen to at times, but I really think he has America first, as opposed to the current bunch who have democrat or republican first, and to hell with America.

    Time will tell, but I know one thing, the wannabee queen of the United States would be a mistake of epic proportions. A woman as president? Not a problem as long as it is the right woman, and this lady "ain't it".

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Laton Caliente View Post

    I'm still trying to figure out if I can hold my nose that tight...
    All points very well made sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imanaknut View Post
    Is Trump a conservative, republican, democrat, liberal? I think not. Is he an American? HELL YES! He might be a bit hard to listen to at times, but I really think he has America first, as opposed to the current bunch who have democrat or republican first, and to hell with America.

    Time will tell, but I know one thing, the wannabee queen of the United States would be a mistake of epic proportions. A woman as president? Not a problem as long as it is the right woman, and this lady "ain't it".

    After listening to Donald on 4 or more different occasions over the last 6 months I "whole heartedly"
    agree with you on this matter.

    There was a reason hillary was passed over by the dems in 08.
    And there was no one else to put up this time.
    17 people started the process and we are at 1. While not my choice
    2 days ago he IS my choice now.

    edit to add: 5.56, Donald's wife did not write the CFR so you are free.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuetzenman View Post
    If it goes down you will not be able to sit it out, it will come to your doorstep.

    Obviously I'm not letting the house burn during civil unrest, but I'm also not going to participate in the elimination of anyone's political opposition, or going to go fight the Russian's over Crimea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aggressive Perfector View Post
    Strictly speaking, aren't libertarians, real libertarians, for open borders? That might explain Paul's true feelings. Also, Paul just lost my admiration by suggesting tariffs are a "bad thing". Dr Paul, how can a guy in Iowa making a washer/dryer at 17 an hour compete with a guy in Vietnam making the same washer/dryer for 17 cents an hour? The elimination of tariffs and introduction of free trade is what allowed all the US manufacturing to leave the US, and here we are with a failing economy, rail traffic down by 10 percent from last year and dropping, factories closing and moving, and thousands getting their pink slips in every employment category. Also, our government was financed by tariffs before tariffs were reduced and the load placed upon the citizens by income taxes. Had no idea Paul supported free trade, likely the single best way to destroy the US and western civ.
    "And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"

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    It's very simple, its nationalists vs globalists. Conservatism never had anything to do with it. The liberal vs conservative game is a scam to divide us.

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    Its because we have been abandoned by the republican party. It is dead. Too many republicans aren't. They vote for dimocrats like romney and mccain. Fuck them. Frankly, dimocrats are not part of this country. They are not Americans. The sooner they are gone, out of the country, or dead, the better and more healthy it will be. They do not believe in the constitution, believe in the bill of rights, appreciate our founders, our history, or anything. They HATE this country. They are not Americans. So FUCK anyone in the establishment, who went along with obama on advancing the destruction of this country by 20-30 years in just 8. FUCK them. I will never vote republican again, and damn sure not for anyone they support. We will collapse, as the last thing standing up for America, the GOP, has joined the enemy. As trump did not steel the nomination, I will likely vote for him. But this likely will be the last time I do. Those saying vote the lesser of two evils are still voting to detsroy the country. Just voting to do it slower.

    Edited to add that the dims are slave masters. Nothing more. What we earn does not belong to us. It belongs to THEM. They believe they should determine what we need, how much we need, and when we can have it. They seek to control us. Global warming is just the sneaky way of trying to do this under the table. We cannot reason or talk morality with completely immoral, unreasonable, morally adrift people that feel they have a right to everything we produce and earn. We cannot talk reason or morality with people who have niether. THATS where Americans are at with the left.
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    "What sick, barbaric bastards.

    It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?

    Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "

    So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruskiegunlover View Post
    Its because we have been abandoned by the republican party. It is dead. Too many republicans aren't. They vote for dimocrats like romney and mccain. Fuck them. Frankly, dimocrats are not part of this country. They are not Americans. The sooner they are gone, out of the country, or dead, the better and more healthy it will be. They do not believe in the constitution, believe in the bill of rights, appreciate our founders, our history, or anything. They HATE this country. They are not Americans. So FUCK anyone in the establishment, who went along with obama on advancing the destruction of this country by 20-30 years in just 8. FUCK them. I will never vote republican again, and damn sure not for anyone they support. We will collapse, as the last thing standing up for America, the GOP, has joined the enemy. As trump did not steel the nomination, I will likely vote for him. But this likely will be the last time I do. Those saying vote the lesser of two evils are still voting to detsroy the country. Just voting to do it slower.

    Edited to add that the dims are slave masters. Nothing more. What we earn does not belong to us. It belongs to THEM. They believe they should determine what we need, how much we need, and when we can have it. They seek to control us. Global warming is just the sneaky way of trying to do this under the table. We cannot reason or talk morality with completely immoral, unreasonable, morally adrift people that feel they have a right to everything we produce and earn. We cannot talk reason or morality with people who have niether. THATS where Americans are at with the left.

    As above. And addressing the rino issue, Rubio was the darling of the Tea Party, wich swept him into office. What was the first thing he did? Propose amnesty and join the gang of 8 in support of 0bama amnesty plans.
    "And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"

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    IF and when push comes to shove, a lot in the socialist party (GOP) will be hated too. The dims are really more fascist, maybe wish for communism. The gop is more socialist. They want to REPLACE bammercare. NOT get rid of it and give us freedom back. Allow us to make our own decisions. Just one example. And if YOU GUYS THINK YOU CAN TRUST THE GOP ON THE 2ND, then CHRIST help us. They will throw us under the bus whenever they can get a little something something for it. I am just done. Frankly Immigration is a new 2nd issue. The more immigrants we get from anti-gun third world toilet countries, the more dim votes they get to buy who will oppose Americans and gun rights. Remember they HATE America. Absolutely. And inviting these people in, giving them the vote AND our tit, and getting their vote in return for MORE of our tit and them being anti-gun? 90% of them? The gop will turn against us on the 2nd. Just you wait and see. They already are trying to attract hispanic voters. Wait until the socialists get enough of them in here to really make us a minority.
    "What sick, barbaric bastards.

    It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?

    Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "

    So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....

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    Quote Originally Posted by studmuffin View Post
    It's very simple, its nationalists vs globalists. Conservatism never had anything to do with it. The liberal vs conservative game is a scam to divide us.

    Bingo.

    You could call me "globalist" if it meant making the entire globe a free market, but national or global authoritarianism, no thanks.
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    I think back to the original love for Ron, then Rand Paul and his fall from grace, but who would think his fall and hatred would lead him to support clinton 2? By his refusal to support the "presumptive" republican nominee, he is in effect supporting clinton. To me he is proving why I never liked him from the beginning.

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    Ron Paul has more devotion to constitutional values in his pinky than Trump does in his whole body. If our political system causes those who value the Constitution to support an obvious power hungry oppurtunist over a true constitutionalist shows the inherent immorality of representative government. A system that makes one abandon one's own principals is evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruskiegunlover View Post
    Its because we have been abandoned by the republican party. It is dead. Too many republicans aren't. They vote for dimocrats like romney and mccain. Fuck them. Frankly, dimocrats are not part of this country. They are not Americans. The sooner they are gone, out of the country, or dead, the better and more healthy it will be. They do not believe in the constitution, believe in the bill of rights, appreciate our founders, our history, or anything. They HATE this country. They are not Americans. So FUCK anyone in the establishment, who went along with obama on advancing the destruction of this country by 20-30 years in just 8. FUCK them. I will never vote republican again, and damn sure not for anyone they support. We will collapse, as the last thing standing up for America, the GOP, has joined the enemy. As trump did not steel the nomination, I will likely vote for him. But this likely will be the last time I do. Those saying vote the lesser of two evils are still voting to detsroy the country. Just voting to do it slower.

    Edited to add that the dims are slave masters. Nothing more. What we earn does not belong to us. It belongs to THEM. They believe they should determine what we need, how much we need, and when we can have it. They seek to control us. Global warming is just the sneaky way of trying to do this under the table. We cannot reason or talk morality with completely immoral, unreasonable, morally adrift people that feel they have a right to everything we produce and earn. We cannot talk reason or morality with people who have niether. THATS where Americans are at with the left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyPertwee View Post
    Ron Paul has more devotion to constitutional values in his pinky than Trump does in his whole body. If our political system causes those who value the Constitution to support an obvious power hungry oppurtunist over a true constitutionalist shows the inherent immorality of representative government. A system that makes one abandon one's own principals is evil.
    Ron Paul also wants open borders, and global free trade, both of which are currently fucking us.

    You want free trade, ok, be ready for America to eat a 100 year shit sandwich while all industry is outsourced to countries with actual slave labor. Free trade in pure form is like socialism, its grand promises do not translate into the real world. Why would a company like Milwaukee power tools pay $20 dollars an hour for American workers when it can pay $20 dollars a day to someone in China, with no insurance or benefits. Because of the kindness of their heart?
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