Effort to trump Trump is picking up speed.

[NAPOTS]

Ate the electors in those states bound by law to withhold their votes if a recount is underway?

[jet3534]

It seems we are on the verge of a civil war and resistance would certainly be justified if a left wing coup overthrowing our Constitutional Government took place. The question to me is how would it play out. In our first civil war the (at the time) strong State governments provided structure for armed resistance to coalesce around. That sort of structure no longer exists. Armed resistance can coalesce around religions or ethnic groups but there is no religious basis for that to happen in the U.S. and for white people there is no ethnic solidarity for it to happen. If things get bad our only real hope is for the military to defend the Constitution as their oath demands.

[Faulkner]

They are going to try to "Al Franken" their way into the whitehouse.

That's a good way to start a civil war.

The disadvantage that Republicans will have with a civil war is that so many of them will have to take off work to show up.

[alismith]

It seems we are on the verge of a civil war and resistance would certainly be justified if a left wing coup overthrowing our Constitutional Government took place. The question to me is how would it play out. In our first civil war the (at the time) strong State governments provided structure for armed resistance to coalesce around. That sort of structure no longer exists. Armed resistance can coalesce around religions or ethnic groups but there is no religious basis for that to happen in the U.S. and for white people there is no ethnic solidarity for it to happen. If things get bad our only real hope is for the military to defend the Constitution as their oath demands.

Actually, it's simpler than that. If someone shoots at you, shoot back. If they don't shoot at you, don't shoot back

[imanaknut]

The disadvantage that Republicans will have with a civil war is that so many of them will have to take off work to show up.

If they have to take time off from work, you can be assured that they will be very angry for having to do so, and heavily armed. Those who don't have a job will find out what happens when you bite the hand that is feeding you. Also, those who are supporting our government as designed by the founders and the constitution will have to remember that news outlets are also part of the "enemy" and will have to be dealt with swiftly.

Personally I hope it doesn't come down to any more violence than we have already seen by the cry-baby hypocrite losers, the ones who mocked Trump for not being willing to accept results during debate 3.

[Krupski]

My understanding, on 11/08/2016, was that Broomstick 1 crashed and burned on takeoff....there were no survivors............gawd, let it go!
Dan

No... the Hildebeast is actually a T-800 model Terminator.

When the Broomstick crashed and burned, all her clothing and flesh burned off, but the metal endoskeleton survived and is angrier than ever.

Supposedly, The Beast also uploaded a copy of Linux as her OS in place of Windows 10 (so she wouldn't randomly crash and make embarrassing random head movements).

[Krupski]

If they get their recount, there will be a whole lot of votes from nowhere. If they do manage to change the outcome of the election, they might just find the true meaning of the second amendment.

Even a large change in the count would not be enough to change the ELECTORAL vote numbers.

[Krupski]

I think we might be heading to an armed conflict even if Trump does get in the White House. Just look at the riots in the streets and the talk of California seceding. If California actually does manage to go through with it, then it will create a domino effect and I can expect to see New York, New Jersey, and much of the Northeast wanting to secede as well. It might look like another Yugoslavia; especially given the racial and religious tensions we have in our multicultural society. I think we'll come out on top in that scenario, but I hope and pray it never comes to that.

Would that be a bad thing? The insane liberals on the east and west coasts have been damaging the fabric of America for decades.

LET them secede. Then they can wallow in their blue state socialist "utopia" while the rest of our Country gets back to it's former greatness.

[Krupski]

I think a lot of us are just still in disbelief that we actually achieved a victory. It felt like it was too easy.

How true. We've been screwed over so many times that it's almost impossible to believe that things went OUR way for once.

[Krupski]

HAHA!! That's not checkmate... it's mate in 1. The white King has 3 places he can move before dying.

[Krupski]

If the recount bs keeps on past Dec 18th, they've totally screwed the election. Imagine 0bama staying in power for the duration.

Gee... people who said this months and years ago were called loons.

Today's "conspiracy theory" seems more often than not to turn out to be tomorrow's fact.

[Gunreference1]

Stein now going after Hillary?

http://mashable.com/2016/11/26/jill-.../#PDp3gpplvSqc

Steve

[Krupski]

It seems we are on the verge of a civil war and resistance would certainly be justified if a left wing coup overthrowing our Constitutional Government took place. The question to me is how would it play out. In our first civil war the (at the time) strong State governments provided structure for armed resistance to coalesce around. That sort of structure no longer exists. Armed resistance can coalesce around religions or ethnic groups but there is no religious basis for that to happen in the U.S. and for white people there is no ethnic solidarity for it to happen. If things get bad our only real hope is for the military to defend the Constitution as their oath demands.

We have active and retired military personnel who could (and would) provide leadership to an untrained militia (i.e. us).

Also, our active military personnel are American citizens. They may know how to wipe out foreign enemies, but WE are THEM.

I do not believe for an instant that our military would turn against it's own people (aside from a very small number of brainwashed few - who would no doubt be quickly dealt with).

[Richard Simmons]

What I have read is they don't expect to overturn the votes in the three states. The plan, instead, is to nullify the electoral votes by tying up the states in the recount, thereby missing the deadline to have them counted in the electoral college. Then Hitlery "wins" with the remaining electoral votes.

The problem for them is both PA and MI don't do recounts-by-request. They will have to petition the courts. Jill Stein is unlikely to prevail since she will have "no standing": changing the vote won't get her the presidency.

Coworker told me that in the scenario you described the election is decided by congress which is Republican controlled in both houses. If true Trump still becomes POTUS unless all the Republicans vote for Clinton which would seem to mean their congressional careers would be over with the next election

I see this as more a way to tarnish Trump's victory than an effective method to alter the election.

[O.S.O.K.]

OK, here's how I see it.

The pissed off conservative/working class/tax paying/patriot Americans are happy to have won the election and are watching everything going on and enjoying every new announcement and cabinet announcement being put out by Trump. Indeed, as was stated up-thread, I think we are all still a little bit shocked by the victory. But the point is, we are happy to watch the system work at this point.

The libtards are experiencing an extended temper tantrum with their leadership taking advantage of the situation to raise as much money as they can before Trump gets going full speed and shuts their corruption down.

Nothing will come of any of the riots or recounts or any of their little BS moves. They know it and are simply doing it to get as much "leverage" as they can before Trump is inaugurated. The left has gotten very good at creating opportunities to suck money out of the fear and chaos.

This will all die down and once Trump gets fully established and his cabinet starts to work, we will see some real action.

I do expect that there will be new temper tantrums thrown for each major reform that he institutes. But it will get old and eventually those too will die. People are already sick and tired of the nonsense...

[alismith]

Coworker told me that in the scenario you described the election is decided by congress which is Republican controlled in both houses. If true Trump still becomes POTUS unless all the Republicans vote for Clinton which would seem to mean their congressional careers would be over with the next election

I see this as more a way to tarnish Trump's victory than an effective method to alter the election.

The goal, now, is trying to plant the seed that Trump's Presidency will be illegitimate....that he stole the election.

[tank_monkey]

Would that be a bad thing? The insane liberals on the east and west coasts have been damaging the fabric of America for decades.

LET them secede. Then they can wallow in their blue state socialist "utopia" while the rest of our Country gets back to it's former greatness.

California will NEVER secede. Despite what you think. there are still tons of Californians who are not lunatics. 38% of the state voted RED. Since they need 3/4th vote and approval of the state houses, it will never happen. Even blue state Dems, who are not fucking nuts, realize that it's idiotic to break away from the USA. The CalExit petition can't even get on the state Ballot until 2018. Believe me, that's a long time and the attention span of libtard millenials isn't THAT LONG. Also you need approval of the REST OF THE STATES nowadays to legally secede. California and New York provide the MAJORITY Of the revenue to run the federal government. Also California can't exist without the infrastructure, bureaucracy, military, or other Federal agencies and services. The US would not want to give up several of the BIGGEST seaports for PACIFIC trade, as well as the food from the breadbasket that is Central California.

This entire secession thing is bullshit .... the problem is that this libtard 'temper tantrum' being treated 'with respect' by the Mainstream Libtard Media, rather than being ridiculed for being idiotic and immature, like it should be.

[imanaknut]

Just read this great editorial about how stupid not-a-queen clinton is. When she so graciously conceded defeat by calling Trump, he was so moved by what sounded like a sincere person that he was thinking about not perusing an indictment against her. Agreeing with the editorial, he handed her a "get out of jail free" card. With her burning that card by agreeing to the recounts, it would not surprise me to see Trump let the legal dogs loose on her once he takes the oath.

Good reading on how stupid "the smartest woman in the world" really is:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/...free-card.html

[deth502]

Jill Stein has everything she needs to launch a presidential recount. She's got the cash, the grassroots fervor and the spotlight of an adoring media. But there's one thing she needs to overturn Trump's victory: a calendar.

Stein missed Pennsylvania's deadline to file for a voter-initiated recount.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pe...rticle/2608305

[NAPOTS]

On secession, I was of the thought that it required the consent of 2/3 of the states but started doing some reading the other night. Apparently there is no framework in the constitution for a state to leave the union. It sounded like there was a supreme court case after the civil war and the jist was that legally the secession never happened because there is no framework to do it. I guess with the 2/3 vote you could do a re write of the consortium and pass and amendment and as a result of said amendment you are out. I believe what there is a framework for is splitting a state and that would require a 2/3 vote