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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypher View Post
    What a terrible waste of life. So sad.

    So far this seems like a unusual person to commit a crime like this. My though is he really may have been a convert to Islam or someone that intentionally targeted a more conservative crowd.

    Why can't these psychopaths get the order of operation down correctly.
    Step 1: Kill self....
    Step 2: Provide valuable service to society.
    Or, better yet:

    Step 1: Kill self. (Repeat Step 1 until successful, then proceed to Step 2.)

    Step 2: Kill others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sevlex View Post
    Yep. Hillary has tweeted out how much worse the shooting would have been if silencers were legal.
    As if the guy gave a flying f--k about "legality". If he had a suppressor and wanted to use it, he would have... legal or not.

    Leave it to the Wicked Witch of the East to say yet more stupid stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sevlex View Post
    This is disturbingly similar to the opening of Matt Bracken's first novel.
    Gee... never thought about that. You're right!
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    Stephen Paddock liked to listen to country music and would attend concerts at hotels in Las Vegas – not unlike the one on which he opened fire...
    http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/...so-far-w506562

    Yeah, a 64-year-old wealthy white guy who likes to listen to country music... doesn't sound like a leftist to me.

    His brother said he wasn't religious and had no political affiliations. Assuming this is true, sounds like just a cray lone wolf psycho to me...
    "That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E

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    Statement by Caleb Keeter, Josh Abbott Band lead guitarist performing that night:

    “I’ve been a proponent of the 2nd amendment my entire life. Until the events of last night. I cannot express how wrong I was. We actually have members of our crew with [Concealed Handgun Licenses], and legal firearms on the bus,” Keeter wrote. “They were useless.” He continued:

    We couldn’t touch them for fear police might think we were part of the massacre and shoot us. A small group (or one man) laid waste to a city with dedicated, fearless police officers desperately trying to help, because of access to an insane amount of fire power.

    Enough is enough.

    Writing my parents and the love of my life a goodbye last night and a living will because I felt like I wasn’t going to live through the night was enough for me to realize that this is completely and totally out of hand. These rounds were just powerful enough that my crew guys just standing in close proximity of a victim shot by this f—ing coward received shrapnel wounds.

    We need gun control RIGHT. NOW. My biggest regret is that I stubbornly didn’t realize it until my brothers on the road and myself were threatened by it. We are unbelievably fortunate to not be among the number of victims killed or seriously wounded by this maniac.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...l-after-vegas/

    And so it begins...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/...so-far-w506562

    Yeah, a 64-year-old wealthy white guy who likes to listen to country music... doesn't sound like a leftist to me.

    His brother said he wasn't religious and had no political affiliations. Assuming this is true, sounds like just a cray lone wolf psycho to me...
    Where do get the notion that he was "wealthy"?

    Or, looking at it from a different angle, how do you define "wealthy"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
    Where do get the notion that he was "wealthy"?

    Or, looking at it from a different angle, how do you define "wealthy"?
    Several of the articles pointed out that he owned multiple houses, traveled down to Vegas regularly blowing thousands of dollars a pop gambling for fun.

    Not exactly someone struggling financially, or not able to afford health care or whatever other desperate reasons other lone wolf shooters have used in recent times to justify their rampages...
    "That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    Statement by Caleb Keeter, Josh Abbott Band lead guitarist performing that night:



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...l-after-vegas/

    And so it begins...
    Is it possible that there are actually people stupid enough to believe ANY law would have stopped this guy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    Several of the articles pointed out that he owned multiple houses, traveled down to Vegas regularly blowing thousands of dollars a pop gambling for fun.

    Not exactly someone struggling financially, or not able to afford health care or whatever other desperate reasons other lone wolf shooters have used in recent times to justify their rampages...
    I own rental properties and have family health care coverage through the state. Does that make me "wealthy"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
    I own rental properties and have family health care coverage through the state. Does that make me "wealthy"?
    I'd say wealthier than most Americans, who struggle working 40+ hours per week just keeping a single roof over their head, let alone having thousands in spare cash a month to blow on gambling.

    Not exactly the profile of an "economically disadvantaged leftist" like the Scalise shooter, who shot all those Republicans up because they were trying to take away his Obamacare, in any case.
    "That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E

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    Eric Paddock said his brother was a multimillionaire who made much of his money investing in real estate, according to the Associated Press. He also said his brother had been an accountant for many years and was unaware of any financial difficulties he may have been having recently.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/02...olice-say.html

    "That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E

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    Quote Originally Posted by sevlex View Post
    This is disturbingly similar to the opening of Matt Bracken's first novel.
    I noticed the same thing.

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    One witness at the concert told DailyMail.com that a woman had entered the crowd with a male companion and screamed 'They're all around... You're all going to f***ing die today' just 45 minutes before the gunfire broke out.

    The woman was described as being Hispanic and in her 50s; she and the man were escorted out of the venue by security.

    Witness Breanna Hendricks, who was in Vegas celebrating her 21st birthday, said: 'There was a lady who came running up behind us in the concert and she started to play with people's hair acting crazy and she told us that we're all going to f***ing die.

    'She said they're all around us and we were going to die,' continued Hendricks, whose mom Shawn Hendricks also witnessed the startling altercation.

    'She was Hispanic, probably about 5ft 5, brown hair. It felt like she had knowledge of what was about to happen, her and her boyfriend who was also Hispanic.

    'The woman was saying her boyfriend couldn't breathe so they could get through the crowd.

    'It seemed she was telling us to either warn us or she was part of it and she was telling us because she knew we were going to die, it was so scary.'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4uONDLX7M
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    "That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E

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    About this source; Hal Turner was an fbi informant, hosting a white power website as well as a radio program. His email got hacked by some who were suspicious of his motives (he urged his listeners to kill a fed judge or something) and they found the emails between his fed handler and himself. The feds were paying him to promote hatred and violent acts. Anyway the fedz burned Hal and charged/convicted him. He got out of prison and is now trying to play himself off as a patriot website host and radio personality.
    That said, he has some interesting quotes on his page;
    "Brad Baker, 38, of Austin, Texas, was in Las Vegas for a conference. 'I think it [the shooter] was on my floor,' he said. 'When they [the police] came into my room, I was totally out - I thought I was in trouble!

    'They yelled at me like, "Get some clothes on." I got my shirt on but I left my phone, my wallet. When I came out of my room, they were telling us to run. I saw all the cops with guns. It was crazy.

    'I saw them run up the stairs - there were maybe like six people [police] on our floor. I was on the 32nd floor - they're saying the guy was like four rooms down from me.'

    Another witness said he was in the room next to the gunman when he opened fire.

    'I was in room 135 and I heard over the police scanner that the shooting came from room 137,' said the man, who asked not to be named.

    'It was non-stop, I would say well over 100 rounds. We hit the floor and took cover. I called the front desk and she was remarkably calm and said she was aware of the situation and told us to stay in our room.

    'After around 10-15 minutes it just kind of stopped. You could smell the gun powder. Right before we got out I heard an explosion, maybe a flashbang, but windows were blown out.

    'The cops came on to the floor and they were clearing rooms room by room and six or seven cops came into our room and we were evacuated.'"

    http://halturnerradioshow.com/index....t-in-las-vegas
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    Alleged shooter's brother said he wasn't a gun guy at all, had no religious or other quirks. Hispanic woman yelling at crowd that they're all going to die. What if this guys is the latest Lee Harvey McVeigh patsy as in they killed him before they opened fire on the crowd?? I'm thinking illegals/cartel/mosloms here.
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    LISTEN: The Moment Police Found Shooter Dead In Hotel Room
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/02/li...in-hotel-room/
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    Apparently the shooter used two rifles both illegally converted to be fully automatic.

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...ted-full-auto/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
    I own rental properties and have family health care coverage through the state. Does that make me "wealthy"?
    Semantics over word bullshit.
    While no one ever listens to me,
    I am constantly being told to be quiet.

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    Reading the bio of the shooter and I get an eerie deja vu taking my mind to the novel Enemies foreign and domestic

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...n_And_Domestic

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