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    Post Vegas shooting

    FNC shows a shooter in a high rise hotel fired into concert goers on the ground. They are reporting 50+ dead and over 200 wounded. Suspect is reported as a 64 year old male, believe last name is Patterson or something like that. Someone is saying he had at least one full auto.
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    White guy .. media will say he was a trump supporter and a racist no doubt.
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    Is it possible? Rumor he is a Muslim convert

    https://twitter.com/ArutzSheva_En/st...90471741984768
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    Quote Originally Posted by rci2950 View Post
    Is it possible? Rumor he is a Muslim convert

    https://twitter.com/ArutzSheva_En/st...90471741984768
    If so, our controlled media will downplay it. The only way to find out, for sure, is to check with international news sources....
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    Woke up to reading about this horror this morning.

    Like others above said, it does sound like actual FA fire and there are three options for that mentioned above. Pulling the trigger very fast wouldn't make that sound. Police said they found him dead in his room and with "a bunch of rifles" but reports at this stage are often inaccurate.

    I also think, without having seen any evidence of it, that this will be like the Scalise / Congressional assassination attempt - a deranged leftist wanting to kill Republicans / Trump Supporters / Conservatives.

    There is another odd angle - I saw an interview just now with a concertgoer. She said that a woman (the Australian Filipina "companion"?) came to the concert 45 minutes before the shooting and told them they are all going to die, and then she was removed by security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rci2950 View Post
    Is it possible? Rumor he is a Muslim convert

    https://twitter.com/ArutzSheva_En/st...90471741984768
    It is only a rumor, and not one with a very good pedigree or much back up information.
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    Within 24hrs we will know everything we need to know (and if the mainstream media is not leading the charge, that in itself will be telling).

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    Yep. Hillary has tweeted out how much worse the shooting would have been if silencers were legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T2K View Post
    Within 24hrs we will know everything we need to know (and if the mainstream media is not leading the charge, that in itself will be telling).
    That was Oct 2 and they haven't a clue who the guy was and are saying they may tell us something
    in Oct 2018.

    There is no natural way this guy could be all he was (in theory) and no one knows anything.
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    My money is on him being a Hillary / Obama life long Democrap. They shoot up a Country music festival populated by mostly conservative middle Americans / Trump Voters. Now we wait for the background on this maggot!

    The Shooters name is Steven Paddock, born in 1953, aged 64 years. Full auto type fire is clear to hear in cell phone videos that is being fed by the news agencies. I wonder if; 1 it was a legally obtained full auto, 2, illegally modified to full auto or 3, one of these bump fire stocks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuetzenman View Post
    My money is on him being a Hillary / Obama life long Democrap. Shooters name is Steven Paddock, born in 1953, aged 64 years. Full auto type fire is clear to hear in cell phone videos that is being fed by the news agencies. I wonder if; 1 it was a legally obtained full auto, 2, illegally modified to full auto or 3, one of these bump fire stocks?
    My bet is on illegally converted.
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    I have listened to the videos several times I cannot disagree with a full auto firearm.
    IMO he had to have been using drums or had a beltfed firearm because of the lengths
    of fire.

    He was shooting from 2-3 hundred yards away and he fired so many
    rounds they are reporting the smoke detector went off.
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    And the calls for gun control begin in 3...2...1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by l921428x View Post
    I have listened to the videos several times I cannot disagree with a full auto firearm.
    IMO he had to have been using drums or had a beltfed firearm because of the lengths
    of fire.

    He was shooting from 2-3 hundred yards away and he fired so many
    rounds they are reporting the smoke detector went off.
    Don't think it was full auto (read my previous post).

    Also, I put some of the audio into my sound editor program and counted the gunshot sound "spikes". There were more than 30 before the longer "mag change delay".

    (edit to add): Also the time BETWEEN shots is not consistent. There's over a 30 millisecond change near the end of a string of shots (that is, the "erratic" fire has discrepancies of tens of milliseconds up to about 30).

    Therefore, your suspicion of it being a drum mag is most probably correct (but probably NOT belt fed). How many rifles that target shooters use are belt fed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alismith View Post
    My bet is on illegally converted.
    Well, there should be a law against converting a rifle to full auto!


    Seriously though, I think it was a bump fired semi (see my previous posts).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuetzenman View Post
    My money is on him being a Hillary / Obama life long Democrap. They shoot up a Country music festival populated by mostly conservative middle Americans / Trump Voters. Now we wait for the background on this maggot!

    The Shooters name is Steven Paddock, born in 1953, aged 64 years. Full auto type fire is clear to hear in cell phone videos that is being fed by the news agencies. I wonder if; 1 it was a legally obtained full auto, 2, illegally modified to full auto or 3, one of these bump fire stocks?
    Listen carefully to the gunshots. They start out fairly "smooth" (that is, evenly spaced), then the rate of fire goes up and the fire becomes erratic.

    We all know what that means... bump firing.

    A true full auto goes "bang bang bang bang..." with evenly spaced shots. The audio I heard goes "bang..bang..bang..bang.... bangbangbangbangbang.........bang..bang". It's not the fact that the shooting starts and stops, it's the fact that the rate of fire starts out "slow and smooth" and progresses to "fast and erratic". And, although it's impossible to tell from cell phone audio of far away gunshots with all kinds of echo, the rifle seems to have a harsh "clack..clack..clack" sound (sounds like a Kalashnikov).

    And, since there are more than a total of 30 shots fired before the longer pause (for reloading I suspect), I'm guessing the weapon was an X39 Kalashnikov with a drum mag (the heavy drum mag has a lot more influence on bump-firing rate than a 30 round "banana" mag).

    And, of course, the SCOTUS goes back into session today... maybe this shooting is a liberal / democrat staged stunt to influence the SCOTUS (they ARE expected to be hearing some gun restriction cases).

    I've been trying to figure.. WHY did this guy do it? Since he fired into a crowd, it's not a "racial" thing (since he could not control what race(s) he targeted).

    It could have been a "muslim punishment for the crowd listening to "decadent Western music"" but the shooter is white and doesn't look like a muzzie type.

    Since he did the shooting in Las Vegas (and the news said he was a regular at casinos), maybe he ran up a gambling debt, borrowed money from "the mob" and was about to get whacked for not paying it back and decided to go out on his own terms? (but then why kill OTHERS?).

    Maybe paper targets at the range were just too boring?

    Maybe it's all just a scam like Sandy Hoax. I didn't see any pools of blood in the news, nor did I see any Medivac shoppers and I only saw one ambulance (and the usual stock footage of a "victim" on a stretcher). All I saw were the same few photos of a handful of people running and a few pics of cops standing around carrying rifles (or shotguns LOL!). And, with all the shots being fired (and all the people who have cell phone cameras) I didn't see ONE puff of debris from a round hitting the pavement, nor were there any muzzle flashes seen at the hotel window where the guy was. Could it be a "Sandy Hoax" type of event... the "shooter" firing blanks?

    Or, maybe it's real and he was just plum crazy?

    I can just hear the screams now "we need more gun laws". I challenge ANYONE to write the text of a "law" that would have stopped this guy.

    I don't know why the news media is saying he had "lots of weapons" in his room. Why? Obviously it was premeditated, so to do that he needs ONE rifle (or maybe two... one as a backup in case #1 fails or jams), some drums and a case of ammo. That's it. Why the supposed "arsenal" of rifles and pistols?

    VERY strange... but to my nose this story stinks already. I'm close to calling it "BS" and a "hoax".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
    Listen carefully to the gunshots. They start out fairly "smooth" (that is, evenly spaced), then the rate of fire goes up and the fire becomes erratic.

    We all know what that means... bump firing.

    A true full auto goes "bang bang bang bang..." with evenly spaced shots. The audio I heard goes "bang..bang..bang..bang.... bangbangbangbangbang.........bang..bang". It's not the fact that the shooting starts and stops, it's the fact that the rate of fire starts out "slow and smooth" and progresses to "fast and erratic". And, although it's impossible to tell from cell phone audio of far away gunshots with all kinds of echo, the rifle seems to have a harsh "clack..clack..clack" sound (sounds like a Kalashnikov).

    And, since there are more than a total of 30 shots fired before the longer pause (for reloading I suspect), I'm guessing the weapon was an X39 Kalashnikov with a drum mag (the heavy drum mag has a lot more influence on bump-firing rate than a 30 round "banana" mag).
    Krup, you were right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alismith View Post
    Not sure that article says anything. They said he had two "bump stocks" that could have been used and they were investigating to see if they were used. Doesn't sound to me like they were actually installed on any weapon. If he ha installed the stock and used the weapon it would be pretty cut and dry that they were in fact used in the crime. My guess is they were found either in the room or at one of his homes. Then again I'm just reading what it actually states in the article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alismith View Post
    Play THIS video:



    It's got a lot of very clear gunshot sounds recorded and the variance in rate of fire is plain as day.

    (edit to add): It sounds like gunfire is coming from two different locations in this video.

    There are quiet, low toned "boom-boom-boom" shots that sound at least 1/2 to 1 mile away, and loud, sharp "bang-bang-bang" shots that sound less than a few hundred feet away.

    And, I don't think it's echo. If it were echo, you would hear "bang-bang-bang" (a second or so delay) then "boom-boom-boom" (the same number of shots and the same cadence).

    But, I hear the quiet "distant" ones all by themselves, and I hear the loud close ones without a matching echo afterwards (sometimes, not always)..

    Two different shooters??????????
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