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    Another mass church shooting has happened in Texas..


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    Seems that at least 20 dead with reports of higher numbers. I have seen one report of 27 with many more injured.

    TV report said the killer reloaded several times. Sad to think that in Texas nobody in the church had a firearm or if they did was able to get it out.

    Reports that the shooter is dead but I would bet it was self inflicted.

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    Part of the problem is that many churches have policies that ban weapons in church, in effect making then "gun free zones."

    Too many people believe that their houses of worship are under God's protection, and that nothing bad could happen to them there.

    Now Fox News is reporting, suggesting that churches should install metal detectors and keep a security guard (usher) at the entrance:



    But let's be real here -- a determined shooter isn't going to be deterred by that. They will simply kill the security guard on their way in, and continue their rampage against the unarmed parishioners.

    They're saying the shooter isn't Islamic either. That means he's domestic.
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    Our church not only has security at the entrance but most of our long term members are armed as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imanaknut View Post
    Our church not only has security at the entrance but most of our long term members are armed as well.
    It's sad that it even has to come to that, as people SHOULD be able to feel safe in church of all places, without having to be armed.

    But it's a different world we live in now... psychotropic drugs and mentally unstable people abound everywhere.

    People are snapping left and right.
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    The shooter has been identified by the New York Times:

    Two law enforcement sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the continuing investigation, identified the gunman as Devin P. Kelley, 26.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/u...ing-texas.html

    How much do you want to bet he was on a psychiatric treatment care plan, just like that other church shooter, Dylann Roof?
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    He's white.



    Devin Kelley: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

    https://heavy.com/news/2017/11/devin...patrick-kelly/

    1. The Shooter, Who Showed Off a Photo of a Rifle on Facebook, Taught Bible School
    2. The Gunman, Who Is From Comal County, Once Wrote That He Lived By the Air Force’s ‘Core Values’
    3. Witnesses Said the Shooter Was In ‘Full Gear’ & He Wrote That He Did Not Fear Death
    4. Multiple Children Were Among the Victims
    5. People Wrote Frightened Messages on Social Media As News of the Shooting Broke
    "That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E

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    Here's his LinkedIn page:

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/devin-kelley-bb2923b9/

    Volunteer Experience & Causes

    VBS TEACHER AID
    VBS AT KINGSVILLE FBC
    June 2013 | Children

    Teaching children ages 4-6 at vocational bible schools helping their minds grow and prosper
    Sounds like he may have been a disgruntled Christian who had a falling out with his faith... another article said his mother-in-law attended that church as well.
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    Posted on Facebook last week:

    "That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E

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    Shooter was engaged by a local resident with a long gun as he exited the church. He dropped the Ruger AR and fled in his car. Local pursued him and he wrecked out. Don't know if he shot himself, if the local took him out or succumbed to wounds from initial engagement with local.
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    I wonder if this was one of the Antifa nutballs!

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    He was registered to vote in Colorado, but his Political Affiliation says: Unaffiliated Party

    https://voterrecords.com/voter/1440345/devin-kelley
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    I just read he was dishonorably discharged from the Air Force in 2014. If true then how did he legally come to own his AR?
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    It also sounds like the scumbag was targeting kids. The youngest victim was only 5 years old.

    TX Church Shooting 4 kids from 1 family shot:
    5yo boy shot 4xs, now in surgery
    5yo girl
    7yo girl shot & in surgery
    8yo hid under a pew
    https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/sta...15944699031552

    The church's pastor, Frank Pomeroy, said his 14-year-old daughter was killed in the shooting, according to ABC News.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/05...gs-church.html

    Hope this doesn't turn out to be another Adam Lanza / pedophile situation...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    Part of the problem is that many churches have policies that ban weapons in church, in effect making then "gun free zones."
    Some states have laws that prohibit carrying a firearm in church. Virginia was that way. Actually, you could carry in church but there had to be a specific reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post

    Hope this doesn't turn out to be another Adam Lanza / pedophile situation...

    I just read his court martial was for kiddie porn.
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    How much do you want to bet he was on a psychiatric treatment care plan, just like that other church shooter, Dylann Roof?
    That seems to be a common thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rci2950 View Post
    yournewswire.com = fake news.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._news_websites

    I actually saw his real Facebook page briefly before it got scrubbed, and there wasn't anything political on there at all.

    Others have made screenshots of it as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    He was registered to vote in Colorado, but his Political Affiliation says: Unaffiliated Party

    https://voterrecords.com/voter/1440345/devin-kelley
    But, he did support the Dimocrat Party:

    "Devin Kelley’s Facebook page stated that he was an atheist and his interests included “Civil and social rights” and “Civil rights” as well as endorsements for local Texan Democratic political candidates."

    http://yournewswire.com/texas-church...er-antifa/amp/
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