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    I asked this question a couple of years ago.

    Has the tilt of the Earth changed? Now I know it has, I can see it.
    The Sun is decidedly setting at a lower angle than I have ever seen it.
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    Been my feeling for the last couple of years too. Seems the sun is higher in the summer and lower in the winter. The Earth has a natural wobble but supposedly over millions of years to move just a couple minutes of arc.

    Considering scientists have said some of the latest earthquakes changed the rotational speed of the earth, I can't see why the rotational axis versus the sun hasn't changed as well.

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    Aw, you're just jumping from one parallel universe to another and back again. ��
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    Well that could be it but then you have to wonder if those little marks you make (stonehinged)
    transfer and are correct on "the other side."
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    Lol....but it's a parallel universe, not a clone universe. If the Earth has a slightly different tilt in a parallel universe, then it may or may not have this little marks exactly the same.
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    The slow change in the Earth's axis is called precession. The axis is pointing towards Polaris right now, but in 13,000 years it will be pointing towards Vega, then 13,000 years after that, it will be pointing back to Polaris. So, Earth's complete precession cycle is 26,000 years.

    However, the rotation of the earth is what causes sunrise and sunset, and that only changes a few nano-seconds every day. Even in 100 years, the Earth has slowed down about 200-300 nanoseconds.

    Since the Devonian Time Period, the Earth's daylight hours have increased from 22.6 hrs. to 24 hrs. today. That's an increase of 1.4 hours in a time period of 252,000,000 years.

    I doubt, during the lifetime of a human, anyone would notice any change in either the precession, or daylight hours.

    So, if anyone senses a difference in the length of a day, there has to be another reason they're seeing it. It's not scientific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by l921428x View Post
    Has the tilt of the Earth changed? Now I know it has, I can see it.
    The Sun is decidedly setting at a lower angle than I have ever seen it.
    Read the Book of Enoch where it is claimed the sun enters and exits through various gates in the firmament
    After that we can discuss what is really going on

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    Quote Originally Posted by 308 View Post
    Read the Book of Enoch where it is claimed the sun enters and exits through various gates in the firmament
    After that we can discuss what is really going on

    Ever watch a top spinning on the table and it begins to wobble (that is, if you attached a laser pointer to the top, it would draw a circle on the ceiling)?

    Or those 100 foot long cables in museums with a heavy ball on the end that swings in a circle - seemingly all by itself?

    That's called "gyroscopic precession" and it's caused by the top moving through inertial space (stationary relative to the universe) in two different directions... one being as the earth rotates on it's axis and the other as the earth orbits the sun. Actually, there are several other factors, like the tidal pull of the moon and the whole solar system orbiting the center of our galaxy, but those forces are so tiny they can be ignored.

    The easiest effect to mentally picture is to sit on an office chair holding a bicycle wheel by the axle while it spins. If you try to tilt the axle, the wheel will gyroscopically move 90 degrees perpendicular to the motion you are trying to make.

    Now, try to hold the wheel steady and slowly rotate yourself on the office chair (analogous to the earth's rotation relative to stationary inertial space).

    Although the axle is not moving relative to YOU, it is moving relative to stationary inertial space (the room around you). As a result, the wheel will precess perpendicular to the motion applied to it. Making one complete circle will cause the wheel to make one complete "wobble" (or maybe two... not exactly sure)

    Also, the science of rotating cylinders (and, by extension, spheres) is a lot more complex than it would seem. There are certain diameter to length to rotation rate ratios that are inherently stable and others that will take off and wobble around their axis of rotation without ANY disturbance applied to it. Think of a 5,56 bullet shot out of a 1:12 barrel vs one shot out of a 1:8 barrel, for example.

    Thankfully, we HAVE the moon, which keeps us from constantly changing inclination angles (like north is north today and 10 years later it could be that north points at the sun... or anything random in between).

    Our climate would be a LOT different....
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    Yep and I am watching the lunar eclipse live from California. About over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 308 View Post
    Read the Book of Enoch where it is claimed the sun enters and exits through various gates in the firmament
    After that we can discuss what is really going on
    I do not know if I would understand anymore after reading it. Unlike my thoughts sometimes
    I am a pretty simple guy. That is why I have a hard time with people telling me I am not seeing what I see.
    While no one ever listens to me,
    I am constantly being told to be quiet.

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    be the heat..

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    Quote Originally Posted by l921428x View Post
    I do not know if I would understand anymore after reading it. Unlike my thoughts sometimes
    I am a pretty simple guy. That is why I have a hard time with people telling me I am not seeing what I see.
    I have to say I have noticed something odd this year that I had not noticed before.

    When I look out the window of my house I can see Mt. Hood. In full summer the sun rises way to the north of the peak as I look eastward at the mountain. In full winter, it rises way to the south of the peak. I have always found this interesting there is such an enormous difference.

    Now to the odd part....and it has to do with the sun setting position relative to my home. Many years ago I planted a group of three quaking aspens in the backyard to block the sun during late afternoon in full summer when the sun sets more northern than southern. So the weird part is a few weeks ago in full winter, the sunset was more farther north than it has been in full summer. I say this because when it was setting, my trees did not block it. It was one of those WTF moments and I thought, how is this possibly happening?

    Anyway...just an observation on my part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 308 View Post
    I have to say I have noticed something odd this year that I had not noticed before.

    When I look out the window of my house I can see Mt. Hood. In full summer the sun rises way to the north of the peak as I look eastward at the mountain. In full winter, it rises way to the south of the peak. I have always found this interesting there is such an enormous difference.

    Now to the odd part....and it has to do with the sun setting position relative to my home. Many years ago I planted a group of three quaking aspens in the backyard to block the sun during late afternoon in full summer when the sun sets more northern than southern. So the weird part is a few weeks ago in full winter, the sunset was more farther north than it has been in full summer. I say this because when it was setting, my trees did not block it. It was one of those WTF moments and I thought, how is this possibly happening?

    Anyway...just an observation on my part.
    The main problem is you didn't plant enough trees....
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    No the problem is we cannot keep those rascals trees from moving around. I have to also
    wonder what it would be to look out my window and see a volcano. I think I will be happy
    with oaks, maples, pines and poplars.

    Think I will put up a fence to keep them from running.
    While no one ever listens to me,
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    In a world of snowflakes,
    be the heat..

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