Pope Claims There Is No Hell

[alismith]

Going against 2,000+ years of Catholic doctrine, Pope Francis has declared there is no Hell for unforgiven souls to enter. He says they simply disappear.

If this is so, then why did Christ die on the cross?

Does this mean that Confession isn't really that important?

This statement has opened up a whole new can of worms.

https://pjmedia.com/faith/pope-francis-says-no-hell/

[l921428x]

So what did Jesus die for? Me!

HAPPY EASTER. GOD BLESS YOU ALL !!!!!!

[alismith]

So what did Jesus die for? Me!

HAPPY EASTER. GOD BLESS YOU ALL !!!!!!

Obviously, the Pope would disagree with you.

[Full Otto]

I tend to go along with the pope on this one
I know you can't just go by one verse but this one sums it up for me as far as the topic

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

It doesn't say the wages of sin is eternal life in any place, just death
If you believe then you have eternal life if not you're dead or as he said it you disappear
That punishment is eternal but I don't think there's a place of eternal punishing

I like his take on correcting the Lord's prayer as well
https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2...-mistake-in-it
He doesn't particularly like the phrase "lead us not into temptation," suggesting that it should be changed to "do not let us fall into temptation."
Makes more sense to me but that's another topic and there's a lot I don't care for about the guy

[LAGC]

Going against 2,000+ years of Catholic doctrine, Pope Francis has declared there is no Hell for unforgiven souls to enter. He says they simply disappear.

Considering it was the Roman Catholic Church that invented the idea of hell (borrowed from the ancient Greeks before them), it's only fitting that they decide to "un-invent" the idea now.

The Church wouldn't have lasted this long, becoming the largest religious denomination in the world, if it wasn't keen on adapting its doctrines to fit the times.

[jet3534]

All religion is theory without proof. If something can be proved it is science not religion. To put it another way, for those claiming there is a hell, where is the proof? And don't tell me that the Bible is proof. Saying that the Bible (written by humans) is the word of God because the Bible says it is the word of God is not proof, it is circular logic.

[JTHunter]

Could we arrange for him to go on a "scouting trip" and try to tell us what he found in a seance?

[ltorlo64]

All religion is theory without proof. If something can be proved it is science not religion.

Like evolution?

[ltorlo64]

So, it sounds like he still believes in hell, but that it is not an eternal place of torment and torture but separation from God. Once separated from God as the source of life you cease to exist. While I find it interesting coming from the Pope my studying has lead me to a very similar belief.

[l921428x]

I can agree with that.

[jet3534]

Like evolution?

Evolution is a proven fact. The discovery of DNA and DNA sequencing in addition to fossil evidence and radio carbon dating, U232 dating, etc. make it impossible not to believe in evolution without a total suspension of critical thinking. Then there is the fact that there are species have evolved recently, i.e., within our lifetime.

I challenge anyone who does not believe in evolution to explain vestigial organs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestigiality#Animals

[jet3534]

Could we arrange for him to go on a "scouting trip" and try to tell us what he found in a seance?

It would probably be better to hook him up with a high class prostitute and then ask him if he liked it.

[ltorlo64]

Evolution is a proven fact. The discovery of DNA and DNA sequencing in addition to fossil evidence and radio carbon dating, U232 dating, etc. make it impossible not to believe in evolution without a total suspension of critical thinking. Then there is the fact that there are species have evolved recently, i.e., within our lifetime.

I challenge anyone who does not believe in evolution to explain vestigial organs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestigiality#Animals

You might want to do some more research about DNA and its companion RNA and the various proteins they control. When originally found there was a lot of excitement that DNA would finally end the argument about evolution. The problem is, the more we learn about just how complex and precise DNA, its replication and control abilities, the less likely evolution is, at least in the time horizon available.

The problem with radiocarbon dating is that C-14 has a half-life of ~5500 years. Science assumes that after 10 half-lives a material is essential gone so after 55000 years there should be no more C-14 from organic samples from earth. Yet substantial C-14 is found in samples that are supposed to be millions of years old. Additionally, if you use other radiolytic date measuring methods (K-At, Rb-Sr, Sm-Nd, Pb-Pb) you come up with dates varying by significant amounts for the same sample. Theoretically they should all be relatively close to the same thing, but they are not.

The fossil evidence is questionable as well when you consider the Cambrian explosion. There is not a slow increase in fossil evidence, just a sudden plethora of the them.

These are just a few reasons why evolution is still considered a theory and not a fact. And as theories go, it is getting harder to support scientifically, though I do admit that there are many very smart people trying to do just that.

[LAGC]

You might want to do some more research about DNA and its companion RNA and the various proteins they control. When originally found there was a lot of excitement that DNA would finally end the argument about evolution. The problem is, the more we learn about just how complex and precise DNA, its replication and control abilities, the less likely evolution is, at least in the time horizon available.

Hardly so, my friend. Any college-level course in Genetics will dispel any doubts one has about evolution being anything but reality. Just the fact we share so many genes with our closest chimpanzee relatives and can see how those genes differ as one observes each species' genomes, moving up the evolutionary tree.

The evidence for evolution is overwhelming.

A good brief summary can be found right here: https://www.khanacademy.org/science/...-for-evolution

Evolution is as established of a "theory" in science as is the "theory" of gravity. In other words, it's all but proven.

Of course, any good scientific theory is always open to the possibility of being disproved some day... but despite many, many attempts, both the theory of gravity and the theory of evolution still stand.

[l921428x]

Hardly so, my friend. Any college-level course in Genetics will dispel any doubts one has about evolution being anything but reality. Just the fact we share so many genes with our closest chimpanzee relatives and can see how those genes differ as one observes each species' genomes, moving up the evolutionary tree.

The evidence for evolution is overwhelming.

A good brief summary can be found right here: https://www.khanacademy.org/science/...-for-evolution

Evolution is as established of a "theory" in science as is the "theory" of gravity. In other words, it's all but proven.

Of course, any good scientific theory is always open to the possibility of being disproved some day... but despite many, many attempts, both the theory of gravity and the theory of evolution still stand.

You believe what you wish. There are things I will never take to heart. So hold on to your to your belief in .......

[jet3534]

Still waiting for an explanation (other than evolution) of vestigial organs.

And as I mentioned new species evolve within our lifetime.
https://www.princeton.edu/news/2017/...wo-generations

[jet3534]

You believe what you wish. There are things I will never take to heart. So hold on to your to your belief in .......

The good thing about science is it is based on proof, not belief.

[jet3534]

You might want to do some more research about DNA and its companion RNA and the various proteins they control. When originally found there was a lot of excitement that DNA would finally end the argument about evolution. The problem is, the more we learn about just how complex and precise DNA, its replication and control abilities, the less likely evolution is, at least in the time horizon available.

The problem with radiocarbon dating is that C-14 has a half-life of ~5500 years. Science assumes that after 10 half-lives a material is essential gone so after 55000 years there should be no more C-14 from organic samples from earth. Yet substantial C-14 is found in samples that are supposed to be millions of years old. Additionally, if you use other radiolytic date measuring methods (K-At, Rb-Sr, Sm-Nd, Pb-Pb) you come up with dates varying by significant amounts for the same sample. Theoretically they should all be relatively close to the same thing, but they are not.

The fossil evidence is questionable as well when you consider the Cambrian explosion. There is not a slow increase in fossil evidence, just a sudden plethora of the them.

These are just a few reasons why evolution is still considered a theory and not a fact. And as theories go, it is getting harder to support scientifically, though I do admit that there are many very smart people trying to do just that.

Radiocarbon dating is only good for a few thousand years. Other kinds of radiometric dating are good for Billions of years.

Do you consider Adam and Eve to be a theory or a fact?

[LAGC]

In U.S., Belief in Creationist View of Humans at New Low

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The percentage of U.S. adults who believe that God created humans in their present form at some time within the last 10,000 years or so -- the strict creationist view -- has reached a new low. Thirty-eight percent of U.S. adults now accept creationism, while 57% believe in some form of evolution -- either God-guided or not -- saying man developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/210956/b...s-new-low.aspx

Faith continues to decline, in America and Europe... while faith remains high in Muslim areas (shithole countries).

[jet3534]

In U.S., Belief in Creationist View of Humans at New Low



http://news.gallup.com/poll/210956/b...s-new-low.aspx

Faith continues to decline, in America and Europe... while faith remains high in Muslim areas (shithole countries).

Faith based on fundamentalism declines - which is not to say that faith that is accepting of science continues to decline.