This too! Back in the day parents could give their kids an ass whooping without any repercussions. However, if parents discipline their kids today CPS will be called and you'll be charged with child abuse. As a result, kids these days grow up thinking that they can do whatever the fuck they want, and that there won't be any consequences for their actions. This only gets worse as they get older.Originally Posted by Richard Simmons
THIS!!!
After today, it's all historical.
NRA spokeswoman accuses media of 'creating' mass shooters with extensive coverageNational Rifle Association spokeswoman Dana Loesch accused the media of "creating" mass shooters by extensively covering perpetrators' identities.
"The media has got to stop creating more of these monsters by oversaturation," Loesch said on NRATV. "I'm not saying don't responsibly report on things as they happen."
"Look, I understand it. But constantly showing the image of the murderer, constantly saying their name is completely unnecessary."
Loesch's comments came a day after a gunman opened fire at Santa Fe High School, near Houston, Texas, killing at least 10 people and injuring another 10.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...-mass-shooters
"That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E
"That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E
I don't believe the media coverage "creates" these individuals any more than I think the firearms do. I do understand what the NRA is saying in that the in depth coverage of these individuals can contribute to their desire for infamy. Several times on FNC I've heard them state that were were not going to provide the suspects name or photo because of this.
Perhaps a fair and speedy trial followed by "oversaturation" of the killers slow and painful execution would balance things out?
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Also not that everything the alleged shooter did was against already existing law or anything.
"And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"
Surely there's something to this desire for infamy, but I can't help feel there's another component at play here. What drives these kids to do something so awful? Top of my head response is cruelty, kids are pretty cruel to each other, especially in high school, and it's worse today than ever. I can see a kid who faces hell every day at school, his family has no answers, and he decides to exact revenge on his tormentors. Then there's the case where the bully is the shooter, but I find that to be a bit out of line as the bully likely enjoys his work and doesn't want it to end. Wich brings up another question, I don't recall any christian or private school shootings, only public schools.
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"And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"
Mental illness is the end result of much of the liberal curriculum in public schools.
"Valar morghulis; valar dohaeris."
Commucrats are most efficient at converting sins and crimes to accidents or misunderstandings.-Oswald Bastable
Making good people helpless won't make bad people harmless.
Freedom isn't free.
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My Spirit Animal has rabies.
I'd rather be an American than a Democrat.
"If you can make a man afraid, you can control him" Netflix Series, The Irregulars
Don't be too quick to discount the fame aspect.
Eric and Dylan have become legends amongst these little fuckers and set the stage for going out in a blaze of glory.
Is that the only reason....no but you know it goes through their mind when they're contemplating doing an action.
I would suggest banning the reporting of the names of mass shooters, but you know the MSM and others would howl 1st amendment...even though no one has a problem with this when it comes to minors.....but even if they did the internet would make it irrelevant.
And seriously this is where they get their info....kids don't watch the news anymore.
Where are we going and why are we in this handbasket???
Texas shooter won’t face death penalty, could be paroled
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/break...cid=spartanntp
Steve
After today, it's all historical.
Anyone notice they copy write date?
While no one ever listens to me,
I am constantly being told to be quiet.
In a world of snowflakes,
be the heat..
This part of the article made my blood boil. "In 2012, another landmark case, Miller v. Alabama, abolished mandatory life without parole for juveniles. That means Pagourtzis could be eligible for parole after 40 years in prison."
This means that this motherfucker will probably be let out of prison when he's 58 years old, just so he can do it again! The police should have never taken him alive
He's another William H. Spengler, Jr. in the making, mark my words.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_W..._York_shooting
Could be paroled. Not will be. Guy hasn't even been tried, let's not get too excited about what the penalty could be. They can probably change the law if they want.
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•" We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. " George Orwell
Yeah, the likelihood of him actually making parole, let alone at first eligibility, is about slim to nil. Especially once all the surviving victims get up there and testify at his parole hearings.
It's just like with some of these other juveniles who were sentenced to LWOP (Life Without the Possibility of Parole) many decades ago -- even though they had to be re-sentenced to allow them an opportunity to parole, most of them are still languishing in prison because their crimes were so heinous, the parole board still refuses to release them back into society.
MAYBE when he's like 90-years-old and too old and decrepit to be a threat to anyone, he MIGHT make medical parole.
But of course, taxpayers have to house and feed his sorry ass in the meantime...
"That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E
Some days you sound almost conservative!
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I tried to push the envelope, but found that it was stationery.
Have you heard about the new corduroy pillows? They're making head lines!
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To LAGC, them's fightin' words....
"Valar morghulis; valar dohaeris."
Commucrats are most efficient at converting sins and crimes to accidents or misunderstandings.-Oswald Bastable
Making good people helpless won't make bad people harmless.
Freedom isn't free.
"Attitude is the paintbrush that colors our world." TV Series, Haven.
My Spirit Animal has rabies.
I'd rather be an American than a Democrat.
"If you can make a man afraid, you can control him" Netflix Series, The Irregulars
Of course there is always prison justice which I am hoping happens to him. One day he just doesn't show up for roll call, and they find his lifeless body still in his cell.
Don't kid yourself, my friend. This kid is going to be considered a folk hero on the inside... it is only rapists, child molesters, and snitches who are truly despised by the prison population.
Murderers are considered fucking gods. The very top of the prison respect totem pole. That's fucked-up prison politics for ya...
"That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E
One inmate apparently thought otherwise about the Colorado Movie Theater Shooter.Don't kid yourself, my friend. This kid is going to be considered a folk hero on the inside... it is only rapists, child molesters, and snitches who are truly despised by the prison population.
Murderers are considered fucking gods. The very top of the prison respect totem pole. That's fucked-up prison politics for ya...
https://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-...ry?id=37339691
Colorado movie theater shooter James Holmes was not supposed to interact with other prisoners, but after a security gate was left open at just the wrong time, another inmate snatched an opportunity to attack the mass killer in the state penitentiary, even throwing punches as guards tried to pull the two apart, according to documents and a top prison official who spoke exclusively to ABC News.
Though officials insisted it was a minor incident, prison higher-ups said the episode proved Holmes was in so much jeopardy that he had to be secretly transferred out of state to an undisclosed location in what one critic called a highly unusual move.
“We had not allowed Holmes at that time to come into daily contact with other offenders,” Colorado Prisons Director Steve Hager said in an exclusive interview in February. “That was not part of the management plan of him.”
Hager explained that “the attack was part of the reason for moving him. There were many concerns; the attack was part of the concern.”
Hager said Holmes, 28, was not supposed to cross paths with anyone but prison staff while housed in the Colorado State Penitentiary in Canon City. But documents obtained by ABC News show that, as Holmes exited the office of his case manager on Oct. 8, a prison staffer opened a sliding gate without realizing he was putting Holmes in close proximity with another inmate, convicted car thief Mark “Slim” Daniels. The officer escorting Holmes was unable to radio the officer controlling the gate “as his battery had gone dead,” according to a so-called “intelligence assessment” drafted after the incident occurred.
With the sliding gate opened and Holmes within striking distance, Daniels, according to the reports, “ran through the slider, squeezing through as it was closing toward offender Holmes … Offender Daniels began hitting offender Holmes, in and around his head, with his fist.”
The documents paint a picture of a brief but frenzied incident with officers shouting “No. Don’t do it,” while “Daniels kept swinging over the top of [one officer’s] head, still hitting offender Holmes.” The officer escorting Holmes wrote that Daniels “landed at least two blows to offender Holmes before I was able to get behind” him.
Officers struggled to pull Daniels off Holmes but eventually got him to the ground. In the process, Daniels hit a female staffer "on the left side of her face below the eye and on the top of her head,” the records say.
In a letter to Denver's Westword newspaper in December, Daniels said he regretted not doing more harm to the mass murderer.
"I'm so sorry I couldn't wipe him out and sent [sic] him packing to Satan's lake of fire,” wrote Daniels, who is serving time for a series of crimes, including auto theft, menacing and forgery. “It was just impossible to do by myself with so many cops. I did get him six or seven good ones… He was very scared.”
Hager, the prisons director, agreed to answer questions after ABC News obtained internal records detailing the assault through a formal request from the Colorado Department of Corrections. Even as he acknowledged shortcomings at his facility, Hager insisted that staffers did not make any mistakes or violate department procedures or protocols. No one has been disciplined because of the assault, he said, and no one would be.
Despite Holmes’ infamy and the fact he had been housed at the prison more than five weeks, corrections staff still had not determined whether he would be kept in “protective custody” and separate from all other inmates at all times, Hager explained. But he was being held alone in the facility’s Management Control Unit. “At that time, they were trying to find the best placement for him,” Hager said.
Hager told ABC News that he did not review the closed-circuit video of the incident, though, he said, “I am sure that it has been monitored by the facility and the facility warden.” When ABC News requested copies of it, the state’s first assistant attorney general, James Quinn, offered a different response, saying “there are no stills and no video.”
When the assault occurred, it had been two full months since Holmes had been convicted on Aug. 7 for killing 12 and injuring 70 others when he shot up the Century Aurora 16 cinema in 2012. He was sentenced in late August to serve multiple life sentences behind bars.
After word got out that Daniels assaulted Holmes, strangers sent Daniels money and letters of support. Prison officials said his commissary account received $75 and someone was trying to “start a website called ‘James’ Jailhouse Justice.’” Daniels’ mother also established a GoFundMe site to help pay for bills Daniels’ family said are associated with the assault.
Because of the incident, Daniels was punished with 60 days in segregation, 45 days loss of privileges and up to 12 months in restrictive housing, Hager said. He has also been moved to Sterling Correctional Facility near the Nebraska border. He's eligible for parole in January.
But the most significant result of the incident was Holmes’ secret move to an undisclosed prison.
When asked about Holmes’ location, Corrections Department spokeswoman Adrienne Jacobson first said it was public record, though she refused to answer the question. Jacobson later changed her explanation, saying the agreement that allows for the interstate transport of prisoners being held in state custody requires confidentiality. When pressed by ABC News to justify the new secrecy, Jacobson, Hager and other prison officials said the location is being kept a secret, citing only non-specific “security” needs of Holmes, other inmates and staffers.
Other states who participate in the interstate-prisoner system as well as the federal government routinely release information concerning the whereabouts of prisoners. For instance, the locations of the five accused of planning the 9/11 attacks and notorious California killer Charles Manson are public record.
Local District Attorney George Brauchler, who prosecuted Holmes, said he is disturbed that the killer is being hidden by Colorado authorities, regardless of what transpired inside the penitentiary.
“You can Google the federal inmate locator and look up any federal inmate you've ever heard of and find where they're located right at this moment,” Brauchler told ABC News. “Isn't that a tacit admission that the state system is less safe than the federal system? As a Colorado taxpayer and a Coloradoan who had to bear the impact of his mass murder, this guy should be serving a sentence in Colorado. And if not, we should know why and where he is.”
Bob Hood, a longtime corrections official who used to run the federal government’s highest-security prison, took issue with the explanations and actions of those in charge of Holmes and the Colorado prison system.
“It’s not debatable: Errors were made,” said Hood, a Colorado resident who used to be the warden of the federal Supermax penitentiary in Florence, Colo. “Clearly someone dropped the ball. [The inmates] should never have made contact. At a minimum, it’s a failure of systems -- a very serious breach of security.”
Hood said the assault was “simple” and should not have led to the extreme measure of Holmes being transferred to an undisclosed location.
“It’s called a ‘dump job,’” Hood said. “Moving him on to another warden. He’s always going to be a target. The [Colorado] Department of Corrections could easily have placed him in a secure setting. It’s ironic to me that they transfer him out of state for such a simple assault. The Department of Corrections dropped the ball. The inmate was assaulted. The system broke down.”
Investigators Admit Victims in Texas Shooting Could’ve Been Killed by Police
Authorities in Texas made a telling admission on Monday, noting that it is indeed possible that some of the victims of the Santa Fe High School shooting could've been killed or injured by police.
https://freedomoutpost.com/investiga...led-by-police/
"And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"
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