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    Exclamation Keystone Cops try to arrest unruly drunk before getting shot after tasing and beating him



    What the hell??

    They kept ordering him to "get on your back" when he was already on his back.

    At one point, it looked like the black guy was begging for his life with hands clasped in front of him.

    Fucked up that the pigs ended up getting shot, but it seems like they could have handled that a bit differently?
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    At one point, it looked like the black guy was begging for his life with hands clasped in front of him.

    reaction from being tased.


    Yes , this does look like a shit show handled very badly .



    But please, play monday morning quarterback some more.
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    But please, play monday morning quarterback some more.
    Part of the problem, it seems, is cops are too eager to go for the taser when they should simply keep all hands on deck: four hands on the suspect, PIN that motherfucker to the ground, then flip him, full body weight on the suspect before even trying to go for the cuffs.

    It just baffles me how two big, burly cops like that can't handle one skinny suspect, let him get up and get away, back to his car.

    Perhaps they need to hire more cops who have taken at least high school wrestling, when it comes to rolling around on the ground and playing grab-ass like that.
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    In case anyone was wondering, both of those Pennsylvania state troopers survived, by the way.

    The suspect was eventually arrested at a nearby hospital where he turned up for treatment of his own wounds from that fire-fight.

    He was charged and convicted of attempted murder on a peace officer. The DA released that dashcam video to show the public how much "restraint" the troopers were exhibiting in trying to subdue the suspect.
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    It just baffles me how two big, burly cops like that can't handle one skinny suspect, let him get up and get away, back to his car.

    obviously under the effects of drugs.

    things like pcp or a bad dose of K2 turns even small people into monsters.
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    Well, they were trying to arrest him for DUI (Driving Under the Influence). Perhaps it wasn't just alcohol involved.

    Hindsight being 20/20, he didn't seem too intoxicated to be able to outmaneuver both cops and shoot them multiple times, before driving away clear to the hospital.

    Perhaps they should have just let him go instead of trying to cite him. I think the taser only aggravated him and made him more hostile and violent. It only escalated from there.
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    Looks like a violent thug resisting arrest that needs to be strung up and eliminated from any further presence in any capacity of society. I'd like to see his rap sheet too. Leave it to you to call it into some question. If they'd simply shot him instead of tasering, you'd still be having a fit. Probably an even bigger one about those filthy black murdering cops......

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    Well, they were trying to arrest him for DUI (Driving Under the Influence). Perhaps it wasn't just alcohol involved.

    Hindsight being 20/20, he didn't seem too intoxicated to be able to outmaneuver both cops and shoot them multiple times, before driving away clear to the hospital.

    Perhaps they should have just let him go instead of trying to cite him. I think the taser only aggravated him and made him more hostile and violent. It only escalated from there.
    Yeah the left's reasoning, just let him go.......One of these days, that might come down to haunt someone you care about or yourself. What an idiot thought and post. Drunk and/or on drugs that make you violent, just let him drive and kill some innocent people and/or shoot some innocent people. Now I know why i despise you quite a bit. You use to have functioning logic though quite misguided, now you are just a kook. Cops are so afraid of the shits on the left causing a stink, they allow themselves to be put in life threatening situations rather than reply with deadly force first. Proud of yourselves?
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    People who drink and drive are faggots that deserve to be shot. Cops likely saved some kids life.

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    You're are posting old shit dude, try to stay current.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Patriot-of-many View Post
    Drunk and/or on drugs that make you violent, just let him drive and kill some innocent people and/or shoot some innocent people.
    Well, I've never put much stock in so many of those "field sobriety tests."

    Balance on one foot, walk backwards in a straight line, etc... many completely sober people can have issues complying, which they use as basis for probable cause to search your car.

    If they had given him a breathalyzer or blood draw or something and he'd been over the limit, that would have been one thing... but trying to arrest him just on the basis of a failed "field sobriety test"?

    That seems a little excessive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    Well, I've never put much stock in so many of those "field sobriety tests."

    Balance on one foot, walk backwards in a straight line, etc... many completely sober people can have issues complying, which they use as basis for probable cause to search your car.

    If they had given him a breathalyzer or blood draw or something and he'd been over the limit, that would have been one thing... but trying to arrest him just on the basis of a failed "field sobriety test"?

    That seems a little excessive.
    Shooting at cops arresting you for resisting arrest and obviously being on something is not excessive in your opinion. Kook. Obviously you didn't watch the video very closely to see the state of this guy that deserves the death penalty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Patriot-of-many View Post
    Obviously you didn't watch the video very closely to see the state of this guy that deserves the death penalty.
    Neither of those state troopers were killed, just wounded. It didn't look like the suspect was trying to kill them, he was just trying to incapacitate them so he could escape what he thought was going to be his own execution at the hands of police himself.

    Watch the video again, time mark 0:46. He was begging for his life, afraid he was going to die, after being tased by the tall cop.

    I don't believe attempted murder (even of a law enforcement officer) qualifies for the death penalty in any jurisdiction.

    He's just damn lucky no one died that night, or it would have been a different story.
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    Watch the video from 0 -16 seconds and then when he resisted arrest to begin the whole sequence of events......You simply are clueless aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Patriot-of-many View Post
    Watch the video from 0 -16 seconds and then when he resisted arrest to begin the whole sequence of events......You simply are clueless aren't you?
    I'm not denying the whole thing was the suspect's fault, he shouldn't have resisted arrest.

    But the way the troopers handled the whole situation just seemed to escalate things, especially bringing the taser into play.

    That's the only thing I really question. I just think the whole thing could have been diffused if they hadn't aggravated the suspect and got him all hot and bothered.
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    It didn't look like the suspect was trying to kill them, he was just trying to incapacitate them so he could escape what he thought was going to be his own execution at the hands of police himself.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Helen Keller View Post
    WTF shit are you on??
    The suspect could have easily walked around that car and executed that trooper at point-blank range laying there defenseless on the ground if he had really wanted to.

    No, he was clearly just trying to escape. He probably thought those cops were going to kill him, having tased and beat the shit out of him just moments prior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    The suspect could have easily walked around that car and executed that trooper at point-blank range laying there defenseless on the ground if he had really wanted to.

    No, he was clearly just trying to escape. He probably thought those cops were going to kill him, having tased and beat the shit out of him just moments prior.
    You missed the part where he went for the officers gun too......He needed a good beatdown, frankly they shoulda shot him before he reached into the car. I don't care if it's not in the statute, violent thugs trying to kill anyone SHOULD be executed. The left would rather house and feed them then let them out 5 10 years down the road to end up killing someone later. Some attempted murderers with long histories get out sooner and some have even been let off on probation, again are you proud of yourselves for coddling violent criminals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Patriot-of-many View Post
    Some attempted murderers with long histories get out sooner and some have even been let off on probation, again are you proud of yourselves for coddling violent criminals?
    I'm not aware of any cases of attempted murder that ever resulted in probation. If you have any articles to share, I'd be interested in reading them.

    Are you aware that of all classes of criminal offenders, convicted murderers have the absolute lowest recidivism rates, those that ever do manage to get released? Something like only 2.5% ever re-offend.

    Compare that to property offenders (burglars and thieves) who have a whopping 82% recidivism rate, once they are released.
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    Here's a few, you should listen to Cam and Company, they have a segment every show called deal of the day. You will be quite astounded then......You'll simply be amazed by the lengthy violent rap sheets some of these thugs have that get probation so many friggin times. Some are even on probation when they get probation again...Your sides idea of justice is to let violent uncontrollable people commit violence on innocents as their standard. http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/38382213...ed-murder-case https://forums.securityinfowatch.com...curity-officer https://www.thestate.com/news/state/...e15509453.html So what about convicted murderers....Is that justice that they get to go on with their lives, some serving as few as 5-7 years while the victim and their families suffer the rest of their lives without their life and their loved ones without the victims company? You call that justice?
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