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    Imprimis - America's Cold Civil War

    I enjoy reading Imprimis and this is one of the best. Great explanation of the difference of how conservatives and liberals see humans and the Constitution and how that is affecting political discourse now. I highly recommend subscribing to Imprimis if you are not already a subscriber.

    https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/americas-cold-civil-war/
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    Interesting article. Thanks for sharing it.
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    I get that publication every month. Good reading.

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    I'm surprised the author of that article mentioned nothing about the possibility of convening a Constitutional Convention to "fix our woes."

    Ironically, it seems like it's mainly conservative states that want one so bad, so as to rein in "entitlement programs" and gut the 14th Amendment and end birthright citizenship along with it.

    On the agenda for a Convention of States: an amendment to require a balanced budget, term limits for congress, repealing the federal income tax and giving states the power to veto any federal law, supreme court decision or executive order with a three-fifths vote from the states, etc.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...onvention-alec

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post

    Ironically, it seems like it's mainly conservative states that want one so bad, so as to rein in "entitlement programs" and gut the 14th Amendment and end birthright citizenship along with it.
    Neither the 14th Amendment, nor any other amendment, guarantees birthright citizenship to non-citizens who have babies. When the 14th was enacted, the sponsor of the amendment (a Republican) said it was ONLY for former slaves. (Dimocrats tried to say their babies were not citizens....) The reason for the Amendment was to guarantee that no one could claim a black child wasn't a citizen and make them slaves. The 14th put an end to that.

    The 14th Amendment was written strictly for black people, no one else.

    No one argued with that until Uncle Teddy used it to claim that non-citizen babies were automatic citizens, guaranteeing non-citizens could stay here to raise their "citizen" baby. This has been "accepted" (by Dimocrats) ever since, but it's still unconstitutional, based on the intent of why the 14th exists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alismith View Post
    Neither the 14th Amendment, nor any other amendment, guarantees birthright citizenship to non-citizens who have babies. When the 14th was enacted, the sponsor of the amendment (a Republican) said it was ONLY for former slaves. (Dimocrats tried to say their babies were not citizens....) The reason for the Amendment was to guarantee that no one could claim a black child wasn't a citizen and make them slaves. The 14th put an end to that.

    The 14th Amendment was written strictly for black people, no one else.

    No one argued with that until Uncle Teddy used it to claim that non-citizen babies were automatic citizens, guaranteeing non-citizens could stay here to raise their "citizen" baby. This has been "accepted" (by Dimocrats) ever since, but it's still unconstitutional, based on the intent of why the 14th exists.
    He constantly tries to turn things into what they're not. Typical left.

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    We should go back to only allowing property owners to vote. Those that leach from the system have zero skin in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Patriot-of-many View Post
    We should go back to only allowing property owners to vote. Those that leach from the system have zero skin in the game.
    Exactly, land owners were the only ones allowed to vote originally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuetzenman View Post
    Exactly, land owners were the only ones allowed to vote originally.
    So I, as an active duty member, moving every 2-3 years, have not bought a house. I think I have some skin in this game but I should not be allowed to vote because my service has prevented me from buying land?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuetzenman View Post
    Exactly, land owners were the only ones allowed to vote originally.
    I think it should be if the majority of your income comes from social welfare programs, not including social security, you can not vote.
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    It's a good article.

    The ONE thing that would fix the US within a single election cycle is reverting to the original constitutional intention that only people with "skin in the game" could vote. What the exact qualifications would look like are fun to talk about but it's all hypothetical, the US electorate is not going to vote for many / most of them(selves) to lose the franchise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T2K View Post
    It's a good article.

    The ONE thing that would fix the US within a single election cycle is reverting to the original constitutional intention that only people with "skin in the game" could vote. What the exact qualifications would look like are fun to talk about but it's all hypothetical, the US electorate is not going to for many / most of them to lose the franchise.
    Agree it won't change but it is not because people will lose the franchise. It is because they don't have the franchise that they feel entitled to take from others, and the only way they can continue to do that legally is be being able to vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ltorlo64 View Post
    Agree it won't change but it is not because people will lose the franchise. It is because they don't have the franchise that they feel entitled to take from others, and the only way they can continue to do that legally is be being able to vote.
    I edited my statement for clarity. The only way such a change could happen is for the US to have it's first civil war (we've previously had two revolutions, one successful the other unsuccessful). No one wants that to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Patriot-of-many View Post
    We should go back to only allowing property owners to vote. Those that leach from the system have zero skin in the game.
    Maybe Robert Heinlein had the right idea in "Starship Troopers" where only veterans were "citizens" and could vote.
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    Except for skirmishes in the streets occasionally, I can't see another civil war. Unless, we suffer a serious crash. If people are hungry, I see it getting ugly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altarboy View Post
    Except for skirmishes in the streets occasionally, I can't see another civil war. Unless, we suffer a serious crash. If people are hungry, I see it getting ugly.
    What do you think is going to happen when the "freebies" stop?
    It WILL be ugly !!
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