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    So are our bumpstocks as good as gone?

    I never embarked on a purchase, but my son has a couple. He is selling his to very quick bidders. I hope this is the end of the madness.

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    There are a couple or more lawsuits filed, or soon will be.
    There should be a stay on the ATF ruling till the cases have worked their way thru the judicial system.
    They're not illegal yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altarboy View Post
    I never embarked on a purchase, but my son has a couple. He is selling his to very quick bidders. I hope this is the end of the madness.
    This is just one more step towards total disarmament the Left is shooting for. It will never end until there are no more liberals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alismith View Post
    This is just one more step towards total disarmament the Left is shooting for. It will never end until there are no more liberals.
    How is banning an accessory disarming anyone?
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    A mag is just an accessory. A scope is just an accessory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Simmons View Post
    How is banning an accessory disarming anyone?
    As has been stated many times across the internet, it's not the accessory, it's the unconstitutional way it was done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N/A View Post
    As has been stated many times across the internet, it's not the accessory, it's the unconstitutional way it was done.
    What constitutional protection does a bump stock have? It's not a firearm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altarboy View Post
    A mag is just an accessory. A scope is just an accessory.
    For a magazine fed firearm a magazine is a component of the firearm not an accessory. A scope is an accessory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Simmons View Post
    What constitutional protection does a bump stock have? It's not a firearm.
    The Constitution that says Congress will make the laws. The law that defines what a "machine gun" is. A definition that only Congress can change by legislation.

    A definition that was changed by regulations, not Congressional legislation. A definition that can now be changed to include "semi-automatic" if regulators (ATF) so desired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Simmons View Post
    For a magazine fed firearm a magazine is a component of the firearm not an accessory. A scope is an accessory.
    The receiver is considered the firearm. Barrels are accessories.

    Are stocks not a component of firearms?
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    FYI - in another forum, it was suggested that you might be able to "modify" a bumpstock by drilling through it and putting in a nut & bolt to make it a "fixed" stock. Then, if this decision is overturned or if the SHTF, you can "unmodify" the stock. JIC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTHunter View Post
    FYI - in another forum, it was suggested that you might be able to "modify" a bumpstock by drilling through it and putting in a nut & bolt to make it a "fixed" stock. Then, if this decision is overturned or if the SHTF, you can "unmodify" the stock. JIC.
    Won't work, as it would still leave the stock "easily restored" to a "machine gun".
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    Quote Originally Posted by N/A View Post
    The Constitution that says Congress will make the laws. The law that defines what a "machine gun" is. A definition that only Congress can change by legislation.

    A definition that was changed by regulations, not Congressional legislation. A definition that can now be changed to include "semi-automatic" if regulators (ATF) so desired.
    Ok, I agree with that.
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    How many times are we going to have this argument???

    A bump stock might not be an "arm" but the right to keep should be judged as the right to adjust that "arm" to your particular needs or wants and banning any device, shape or part that alters it is then technically an infringement on your right to keep and if needed bear it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Simmons View Post
    How is banning an accessory disarming anyone?
    It sets a precedent for future Executive Branch actions. Maybe next time it is certain types of bullets (a gun accessory) that are banned. Maybe a Federal 30 round mag ban.

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    I think the 1934 Miller case is the defining guide - is it suitable for militia purposes? No.

    Modern handguns and rifles are, without question. "Choose your battles" and bumpstocks aren't the hill to make a stand on. They are just novelty devices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T2K View Post
    I think the 1934 Miller case is the defining guide - is it suitable for militia purposes? No.

    Modern handguns and rifles are, without question. "Choose your battles" and bumpstocks aren't the hill to make a stand on. They are just novelty devices.
    And just what defines "suitable"? A fully automatic is suitable for a militia, yet it is denied to citizens. Therefore, the law contradicts itself.
    The "hill to die on " is either adherence to the Constitution, or bureaucratic tyranny.
    Who is anyone to decide it is only a novelty, if someone else sees a future legitimate need for it?

    A "well regulated militia" means well trained, well supplied and well armed. A well armed militia would include automatic weapons for the individual citizen. As citizens are pretty much denied the ability to buy, keep and bear automatic rifles, then they are denied the right to be well regulated in that aspect. Thus, an accessory that does not break the law, in and of itself, affords the citizens to restore "well regulated" to themselves.
    You choosing not to have such an accessory, is the same as you choosing not to own anything but a handgun. It is your choice, but in no way should your opinion rule what I might choose to own as a citizen militia member.

    If this regulation and action by the ATF stands, then bolt action rifles with scopes can be declared military grade sniper rifles, and scopes can be banned. They're not needed by the citizen militia. This can go on down the line. Tannerite....just a novelty and not needed by the militia. Night vision devices...military grade optics and not needed by the militia. Et Cetera, et cetera, et cetera,.... ...

    Everytime you choose that a hill is not to die on, then the next hill is a little higher and harder to climb. Let the opposing side have the hill, and soon you are incapable from climbing the hill you think does matter.



    Also the history I've read, I always could see where early on, if they had just done this/that, humanity wouldn't have gone thru a lot of suffering and tyranny. This is one of those times in our country's history.
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    It's going to effect a lot more people if they decide to go after pistol braces and raptor grips for firearms which fire shotshells (things like the shockwave and tac-14).
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    I suspect the philosophy of bumpstock owners falls along the line of Molon Labe.

    New York's SafeAct has something like 90% non-compliance. New Jersey's mag ban has 100% non-compliance.

    Who thinks bumpstock owners will lose them in a "tragic boating accident"?


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    Did anyone really think that if the waffen BATFEces thugs were given the keys to the castle, that they'd rule in favor of gun owners?

    Right now it's bump stocks, next are pistol braces.
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