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    Legislation in Congress

    This came in an email from the GOA the other day.

    S. 7 Would Allow the very Gun Confiscation Orders that Killed Gary Willis in Maryland
    In this day and age, there are few capital crimes in America for which you're likely to ever be executed.
    But, if gun grabbers have their way, one of them will be: "BEING A GUN OWNER."

    Gun Confiscation Orders (fraudulently sugar-coated as "red flag laws") which have been passed in 13 largely-Leftist states are really scary:
    - - In Ferndale, Maryland, 60-year-old Gary Willis was executed by police with a Gun Confiscation Order, when he came to the door at 5:17 a.m. with a gun in his hand. It now turns out that the Gun Confiscation Order was obtained by a vengeful relative who wanted to punish Willis for his political views.
    - - In Seattle, Washington, an early report by Fox News showed that Gun Confiscation Orders were being summarily approved in almost every case.
    - - In Middlebury, Vermont, prosecutors obtained a Gun Confiscation Order against a kid -- and then, without any statutory authority, used it to strip his law-abiding uncle of his constitutional rights.

    All of this shows that, when the government has begun to slide toward authoritarianism, it's really a little too late to expect "the rule of law" to be followed.

    Currently, Senate Judiciary Chairman Lindsey Graham has said that he's working with anti-gun zealot Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) to craft a Gun Confiscation proposal.

    Under the Blumenthal-Graham proposal, states would presumably be bribed to enact statutes which allow police or an angry "ex" to convene "secret courts" to strip gun owners of their Second, Fourth, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendment rights.
    The first thing the gun owner would learn about it is when the police knocked on his door in the middle of the night, ready to ransack his house and, if he resisted, to arrest him or shoot him to death.

    But even by the fascist standards of New Jersey and California, the federal legislation imposing Gun Confiscation Orders is extreme!

    S. 7 would allow Gun Confiscation Orders

    S. 7 is currently the only "red flag" confiscation bill to be introduced in Congress. And it is extreme.
    To begin with, who can convene a "secret court" where neither the targeted gun owner nor his attorney is allowed to appear?

    Under S. 7, ANYONE "related by blood, marriage, or adoption." To be clear, Elizabeth Warren is distantly related to Indians (1/1024th). And all of them would be able to convene a "secret court" under S. 7.
    The secret court "hearing" is so perfunctory it can be conducted by telephone. And, although the bill contradicts itself, it's far from clear that written testimony must be under oath.

    Predictably, virtually every Gun Confiscation Bill, that has been introduced or passed throughout the nation, implies that the police can ransack your house when they arrive to serve the order in the middle of the night.

    In S. 7, the court is mandated to give a "clear statement of instruction" as to what they can or can't do. The search and seizure is supposed to occur "upon issuance of the order." And police are specifically allowed to use "any lawful authority" to search your house and seize your guns.

    Using standard Bloomberg tactics of deceit, every Gun Confiscation Bill across the country lists lots of horror stories about things the court CAN consider. But none of these are prerequisites to the relinquishment of your constitutional rights.
    Finally, in every Gun Confiscation Bill that we've seen, your "due process" consists of your "right" to spend $10-20,000 to hire a lawyer and expert witnesses and convince a judge he made a mistake. THAT IS NEVER SUCCESSFUL.

    And, oh yes, if it were successful, your name has already been sent to NICS; so, good luck on convincing your state to correct the records.

    In a gun control movement which is increasingly willing to shred the whole Bill of Rights if it will eliminate gun ownership, Gun Confiscation Orders are the "crown jewel" of repression.
    “I have little patience with people who take the Bill of Rights for granted. The Bill of Rights, contained in the first ten amendments to the Constitution, is every American’s guarantee of freedom.” - - President Harry S. Truman, “Years of Trial and Hope”

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    In firearm loving Indiana, that is one of the few anti-gunowner laws to make it onto the books. A letter to our senator was a waste of time as the blasted republican said he supported Red Flag. We are trying to push through legislation making the penalty for false reporting so bad that people don't. Sort of like making murder illegal stopped murders.

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    Liberals/Leftists/Dimocrats (and some Republicans) are ruining our country.

    These types of laws are doing nothing but inflaming people to hope for a civil war to purge the country of this scourge.
    "Valar morghulis; valar dohaeris."

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    This discussion reminds me of this incident.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Ballew_raid

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet3534 View Post
    This discussion reminds me of this incident.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Ballew_raid
    Some of those Feds have always been a little "gung ho".
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    It gets better;

    Muslim-Inspired Socialist Movement Underway In Government To Eliminate Electoral College
    The push by Socialists to totally rig all presidential elections in the United States is in full swing with Colorado and New Mexico being the latest states advancing bills through their Senate to do away with the Electoral College.

    What this stems from is an agreement among some 12 states and the District of Columbia called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC), which would automatically award all Electoral College votes in these states to whoever wins the national popular vote for president.

    States participating in NPVIC are California, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, New Mexico, Colorado, and DC.

    Essentially, NPVIC gives these states the right to demand that all of their EC votes for the winner of the national popular vote. Under NPVIC any state would have to have their EC vote for the winner of the national popular vote, regardless of whether or not that candidate won in that particular state.
    https://thewashingtonstandard.com/mu...toral-college/
    NPVIC itself was originally drafted in 2006 by two Muslims, Akhil Amar a former Southmayd Professor of Law at Yale Law School and Vikram Amar who has a BA in history from UC Berkeley and has a Juris Doctor degree from Yale University. It figures that we would have anti-American Muslims behind such a movement to rig our elections.
    “The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.”
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    That would be a horrible idea NATO.
    Think about it - the Top 10 states for population are CA, TX, FL, NY, PA, IL, OH, GA, NC, & MI. Considering how the 5 highlighted states have voted lately, they would have an undue influence on the elections and would end up "dictating" to the rest of the country.
    NOT GOOD !!
    This would end up making the U.S. an "oligarchy" (like Russia & China) instead of a "representative republic".
    Last edited by JTHunter; 01-31-2019 at 01:40 PM.
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