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    Team Gunsnet Platinum 06/2016 ltorlo64's Avatar

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    Abortion and Gun Control

    Abortion supporters, mostly liberals and Democrats, argue against any limitations on abortions. The logic behind their argument is that any limitation is a restriction and a step towards losing the constitutional right to have an abortion. The mainstream media reports their arguments without much discussion of whether their argument is truly logical or not. Most news media also ignore the fact that the “right” to kill an unborn baby is not in the Constitution but is inferred from other rights actually identified - it is important to remember that they are not granted or created by the Constitution, but identified and protected - in it. For example, the right of the people to be “secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized” as identified in the Fourth Amendment is seen as supporting the right to abortion.

    Many of these same people then say that restricting the right to keep and bear arms is “common sense.” They say this even though the right to keep and bear arms is actually identified in the Second Amendment (A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.). Some will argue that since we don’t have militias anymore that the amendment is void. They misread the amendment, though, as the militia is not the reason that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but is the result and that result is necessary to the security of a free state. Second Amendment supporters, like abortion supporters, see any infringement on the right to keep and bear arms as a step towards a goal of total disarmament.

    Abortion supporters and Second Amendment supporters are both correct that any restriction is a step towards losing a right. The difference being is that with one right you have to work hard to infer from rights actually identified while the other is identified with no ambiguity, and it takes a lot of work to explain it away.
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    Trying to find where that "constitutional right to abortion" is written.

    Just the left trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the sheep, and very effectively I might add.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imanaknut View Post
    Trying to find where that "constitutional right to abortion" is written.

    Just the left trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the sheep, and very effectively I might add.
    It is not there. In various court cases the right to privacy, which is quoted as the source of the right to an abortion, is inferred from the 1st, 4th and 14th amendments. To get there, though, you have to apply the Constitution against the citizens and not against the government. In doing this, you turn the Constitution on its head and it becomes something that takes away freedom and liberty instead of securing and protecting them.
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    So, we need to use the phrase, "common sense" abortion reforms, when talking to libturds and Dimocrats..... After all, if it's "common sense," who would fight against that?
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