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    Getting Skeptical About Corona Virus

    I may be totally wrong about this, but I'm growing more and more skeptical about all this corona virus BS.

    Everyone is going in full panic mode and people are losing any rational thoughts about what's going on.

    I'm beginning to believe all this Covid-19 scare is nothing more than a dry run by the NWO, Commucrats, and Faux Media to see how far they can scare people into following directions and allowing themselves to be ordered about by elected officials who are quickly assuming the roles of mini-dictators while overriding our Constitutional freedoms.

    Think about it for a moment.

    Q) How were we introduced to Corona virus?

    A) The Media. (And, over these past 4 years, what have we learned about this media?)

    Q) Who said it was a highly-contagious, super killer virus?

    A) The Media.

    Q) Is there any way to check on the veracity of the Media's info?

    A) No.

    Q) Why should we trust the doctors the Media quotes and uses to verify their "facts?"

    A) We know nothing about these doctors, or even if they really are doctors and not crisis actors the
    Media has hired to help them keep the fear going.

    Q) Why was ground zero in China?

    A) Because no one can really check on the truth of this and they can always say the Chinese
    government is lying and covering up the facts. It is, literally, impossible to check on the truth of
    this.

    Q) Who has made this into a nationwide scare?

    A) The Media with collusion from the Commucrats in Congress.

    Q) Who says this is now a "pandemic?"

    A) The Media.

    Q) How can we verify this?

    A) We can't.

    Q) What is one of the first things the Media insisted on doing once they spread the word about Covid-19?

    A) They scared the government into shutting down all airports and limiting international travel.

    Q) What is one of the first things a leftist government does when it seizes power?

    A) It prevents people from traveling.

    Q) What is another thing a leftist government does?

    A) It confiscates all privately owned firearms.

    Q) Have "laws" been put in place to confiscate firearms?

    A) Yes, but on a local level, either by governors or mayors, so far.

    Q) What other things does a leftist government do?

    A) Closes its borders to all travel; shuts down all forms of gatherings; institutes curfews; shuts down businesses; takes control of transportation (supply and demand) and necessary services, controls hospitals and health care providers....

    Q) Is there any way to check on how bad this crisis really is?

    A) No. We're stuck with reports only from the Media.

    Q) Does anyone know anybody who has the Corona virus?

    A) I have not met anyone, in my travels (100 mile radius) who has, or knows anybody who has/had it.

    Q) If you have met someone who claims to have had it, is there reliable proof they had the Corona virus
    and NOT just the regular seasonal flu?

    A) I doubt you or they can prove they had it other than what a doctor told them.

    There are a lot of other questions I have about this but they all come back to the same answer - every answer to any question, ultimately, comes back to what the Media says

    And, when have you been able to say, in the last 4 or so years, the Media has told you the truth?

    I believe that not only has this event been blown all out of proportion (compared to any flu we've ever experienced) and that the Media is behind turning this into a "Crisis."

    I doubt this is anything more than the seasonal flu the Media has named and splashed all over the news everywhere. After all, if this is Covid-19, what happened to all the other Covid viruses from 3-18 (Covid-2 was SARS-2).

    Just my thoughts.
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    After reading how dems are flocking to suggest socialist wartime footing legislation to President Trump, I get the idea they are going to try to use the virus to change course to climate change afterwards.
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    Something that is very suspicious is that the number of both cases and deaths in China hasn't really changed in days.
    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

    There could be a couple of logical possibilities;
    1. The virus spreads rampantly and quickly through a population killing a very small percentage of the population who is susceptible everyone else is left relatively unharmed. Given a limited ability to test people, you are only going to test those who are showing moderate to severe symptoms skewing your statistical sample
    2. The Chinese government has the attitude "fuck these people" and is lying saying the virus is contained; no one else is dying or getting sick. This way they can send everyone back to work, their health and the rest of the world be damned.

    I think #2 is most likely so shit could get ugly in China.

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    Whatever the chicoms say, it may be prudent to increase the numbers given by 10s and hundreds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alismith View Post
    I may be totally wrong about this, but I'm growing more and more skeptical about all this corona virus BS.

    Everyone is going in full panic mode and people are losing any rational thoughts about what's going on.

    I'm beginning to believe all this Covid-19 scare is nothing more than a dry run by the NWO, Commucrats, and Faux Media to see how far they can scare people into following directions and allowing themselves to be ordered about by elected officials who are quickly assuming the roles of mini-dictators while overriding our Constitutional freedoms.

    Think about it for a moment.

    Q) How were we introduced to Corona virus?

    A) The Media. (And, over these past 4 years, what have we learned about this media?)

    Q) Who said it was a highly-contagious, super killer virus?

    A) The Media.

    Q) Is there any way to check on the veracity of the Media's info?

    A) No.

    Q) Why should we trust the doctors the Media quotes and uses to verify their "facts?"

    A) We know nothing about these doctors, or even if they really are doctors and not crisis actors the
    Media has hired to help them keep the fear going.

    Q) Why was ground zero in China?

    A) Because no one can really check on the truth of this and they can always say the Chinese
    government is lying and covering up the facts. It is, literally, impossible to check on the truth of
    this.

    Q) Who has made this into a nationwide scare?

    A) The Media with collusion from the Commucrats in Congress.

    Q) Who says this is now a "pandemic?"

    A) The Media.

    Q) How can we verify this?

    A) We can't.

    Q) What is one of the first things the Media insisted on doing once they spread the word about Covid-19?

    A) They scared the government into shutting down all airports and limiting international travel.

    Q) What is one of the first things a leftist government does when it seizes power?

    A) It prevents people from traveling.

    Q) What is another thing a leftist government does?

    A) It confiscates all privately owned firearms.

    Q) Have "laws" been put in place to confiscate firearms?

    A) Yes, but on a local level, either by governors or mayors, so far.

    Q) What other things does a leftist government do?

    A) Closes its borders to all travel; shuts down all forms of gatherings; institutes curfews; shuts down businesses; takes control of transportation (supply and demand) and necessary services, controls hospitals and health care providers....

    Q) Is there any way to check on how bad this crisis really is?

    A) No. We're stuck with reports only from the Media.

    Q) Does anyone know anybody who has the Corona virus?

    A) I have not met anyone, in my travels (100 mile radius) who has, or knows anybody who has/had it.

    Q) If you have met someone who claims to have had it, is there reliable proof they had the Corona virus
    and NOT just the regular seasonal flu?

    A) I doubt you or they can prove they had it other than what a doctor told them.

    There are a lot of other questions I have about this but they all come back to the same answer - every answer to any question, ultimately, comes back to what the Media says

    And, when have you been able to say, in the last 4 or so years, the Media has told you the truth?

    I believe that not only has this event been blown all out of proportion (compared to any flu we've ever experienced) and that the Media is behind turning this into a "Crisis."

    I doubt this is anything more than the seasonal flu the Media has named and splashed all over the news everywhere. After all, if this is Covid-19, what happened to all the other Covid viruses from 3-18 (Covid-2 was SARS-2).

    Just my thoughts.
    Unfortunately, everything you said sounds spot on.

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    Though regarding information with a healthy about of skepticism, NO ONE can say that this is a hoax (fabricated from full cloth). The Deaths overseas are real. Italy has been hit really hard. Also you guys live in the sticks. I KNOW people (though not people I hang around with, but folks I know) who tested positive and are now in quarantine.

    So I agree that one must (1) not overreact and (2) regard anything the media says with a sense of RATIONAL skepticism but to anyone who actually thinks it's totally fake....


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    Quote Originally Posted by tank_monkey View Post
    Though regarding information with a healthy about of skepticism, NO ONE can say that this is a hoax (fabricated from full cloth). The Deaths overseas are real. Italy has been hit really hard. Also you guys live in the sticks. I KNOW people (though not people I hang around with, but folks I know) who tested positive and are now in quarantine.

    So I agree that one must (1) not overreact and (2) regard anything the media says with a sense of RATIONAL skepticism but to anyone who actually thinks it's totally fake....


    I dont think its fake, every government in the world would be in on it and its too disastrous to everyone's economy and way of life for that to happen. What I do wonder is if it is over-hyped by the chinese media to screw everyone. I.e., it is a real virus, it is really spreading, it is really killing people but the real rate of complications is not unusual. Because it is a new virus you hype it up and create panic to collapse everyones economy. You quietly "defeat" the virus, send everyone back to work while everyone else is still reeling and come out on top.

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    I have a feeling the same "science whores" who brought us the computer modeling for global warming are working on the scientific modeling for the spread of this virus.

    I know we're hearing about lots of deaths overseas but how many people die of influenza each year? I was shocked at the number of people who die every year, and it's just accepted as normal

    And corona virus is a generic term for the molecular/cellular appearance of virus, the one we are dealing with is #19, so if these triage tents that are being set up can't specifically test for this strain, we're gonna get a lot of false info...followed by even more panic and .gov canceling our civil rights.

    OH yea, this isn't a hoax, it's a FRAUD and another example of the leftist mentality to use crisis to control the masses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NAPOTS View Post
    I dont think its fake, every government in the world would be in on it and its too disastrous to everyone's economy and way of life for that to happen. What I do wonder is if it is over-hyped by the chinese media to screw everyone. I.e., it is a real virus, it is really spreading, it is really killing people but the real rate of complications is not unusual. Because it is a new virus you hype it up and create panic to collapse everyones economy. You quietly "defeat" the virus, send everyone back to work while everyone else is still reeling and come out on top.
    I don't have access to the Chinese Media, but I do have access to the US media and they are the ones who are hyping it up over here. IF the Chinese started it, then the Faux Media in the US are the ones who are happily hyping it up big time to create a "crisis."

    I'm not saying the virus doesn't exist, what I'm trying to say is that this virus isn't any more dangerous than the normal flu virus is, but the Faux Media is blowing it all out of proportion and causing people to panic and do stupid stuff.

    It's our own Faux Media's fault for everything that's happening in the US right now. They may not have started but they sure as hell are keeping it going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davepool View Post
    I have a feeling the same "science whores" who brought us the computer modeling for global warming are working on the scientific modeling for the spread of this virus.

    I know we're hearing about lots of deaths overseas but how many people die of influenza each year? I was shocked at the number of people who die every year, and it's just accepted as normal

    And corona virus is a generic term for the molecular/cellular appearance of virus, the one we are dealing with is #19, so if these triage tents that are being set up can't specifically test for this strain, we're gonna get a lot of false info...followed by even more panic and .gov canceling our civil rights.

    OH yea, this isn't a hoax, it's a FRAUD and another example of the leftist mentality to use crisis to control the masses.
    And, to get POWER. That's all they live for and crave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davepool View Post
    I have a feeling the same "science whores" who brought us the computer modeling for global warming are working on the scientific modeling for the spread of this virus.

    I know we're hearing about lots of deaths overseas but how many people die of influenza each year? I was shocked at the number of people who die every year, and it's just accepted as normal

    And corona virus is a generic term for the molecular/cellular appearance of virus, the one we are dealing with is #19, so if these triage tents that are being set up can't specifically test for this strain, we're gonna get a lot of false info...followed by even more panic and .gov canceling our civil rights.

    OH yea, this isn't a hoax, it's a FRAUD and another example of the leftist mentality to use crisis to control the masses.
    The 19 is for the year, 2019 when it first appeared, doesn't mean there were 18 before it.


    Going off of the 80 un-diagnosed estimate;

    China has around 81,100 confirmed cases, at only a 20% detection rate that means a total of 405,500. They reported ~3,240 deaths. 3240/405,500 = .008 or 0.8%.



    Check this out;
    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

    In 2017-2018 there were 61k flu deaths. Why didn't we shut the whole country down? I dont even remember anyone talking about it being a bad year for the flu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAPOTS View Post
    The 19 is for the year, 2019 when it first appeared, doesn't mean there were 18 before it.


    Going off of the 80 un-diagnosed estimate;

    China has around 81,100 confirmed cases, at only a 20% detection rate that means a total of 405,500. They reported ~3,240 deaths. 3240/405,500 = .008 or 0.8%.



    Check this out;
    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

    In 2017-2018 there were 61k flu deaths. Why didn't we shut the whole country down? I dont even remember anyone talking about it being a bad year for the flu.
    Because the Faux Media and Commucrats thought they could get rid of Trump with the fake Mueller Investigation and were working on bringing the impeachment farce into play. They didn't think they would need anything else.

    Now, since the impeachment farce fell through, they decided to create a "crisis" and use this as their next attack.

    As of now, it's having more of an effect than all their other attacks combined.

    Once this dies out (when the virus dies off this Spring), they'll have to find something else to use.

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    This Disease fake or not will be forgotten. It has damaged the American economy and will be used politically. The Democrats/Leftist will use this to defeat President Trump in November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durangokid View Post
    This Disease fake or not will be forgotten. It has damaged the American economy and will be used politically. The Democrats/Leftist will use this to defeat President Trump in November.
    Not sure about that as Trump's response seems to be winning people over to his side the longer this plays out. His rapid response and mobilization of Federal help is working wonders for him.

    Although the Commucrats orchestrated this as a "crisis," it seems Trump is performing well beyond what they expected. It took 6 months before obama did anything about H1N1 when it popped up during his tenure. Trump has cut that down to days, not months.

    People are seeing this as positive about Trump.
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    All he has to do at this point is play along and hype up the worst case scenario, when reality happens and it falls short of that you take credit. Easy win.

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    It does seem, as far as the reaction, I'm only hearing about China, the EU and the US the three major players in today's economics
    Not that others aren't affected but the lack of "over the top reaction" is a bit telling to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Durangokid View Post
    This Disease fake or not will be forgotten. It has damaged the American economy and will be used politically. The Democrats/Leftist will use this to defeat President Trump in November.
    Have you forgotten the Swine flu outbreak in 2009? How about SARs in 2003? Or the "Spanish flu" of 1918? The "general public" might forget specifics but many will remember "historical details". And this escapade is being so dramatic and such a fast developing fiasco, more will remember this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTHunter View Post
    Have you forgotten the Swine flu outbreak in 2009? How about SARs in 2003? Or the "Spanish flu" of 1918? The "general public" might forget specifics but many will remember "historical details". And this escapade is being so dramatic and such a fast developing fiasco, more will remember this.
    And, they'll remember who turned this into a "crisis."
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