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    So, another thought on the Trump presidency, the swamp, the planned great reset...

    About the time Trump was elected I read an opinion piece that suggested Trump was really a swamp rat himself. It had some points...he was a demoncrap at one time, and he was friendly with billy and hilly, as well as any number of other demon spawn, and donated heavily to them...yeah, necessary as a businessman, but...

    What if his whole purpose was to gin us up, then let us down in a way that would guarantee CW 2.0...all for the purpose of furthering the swamp's agenda?

    The left is allowed to riot, loot, destroy with purpose...again, to gin us up. Every act by a patriot is shut down, prosecuted, quashed. The cops allow supporters to be beaten at will and protect blm/antifags frequently. The ones arrested are quickly released again.

    What if we've all been taken for a grand ride these last four years, all to a specific purpose.

    Yeah, I know, incredibly depressing thought, but that early opinion piece came back to mind. At the time I wondered, then as I saw Trump doing what he said he would I dismissed it...but now I'm not so sure as we get closer and closer to the election certification, the actions of the supremes, the bumbling on various suits in the state and federal courts, et cetera, et. al., ad nauseum...

    Sorry to be the Debbie Downer here, but I'm beginning to think we've all been bamboozled, though I still hope I'm wrong on that score.
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    I started thinking the same thing 2 years ago. That they were playing divide and conquer. After 2 years in office why wasn't Hillary locked up like he promised? The debates with her remind me of a poorly written soap opera. Something is in the works and it's not good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nashorn View Post
    I started thinking the same thing 2 years ago. That they were playing divide and conquer. After 2 years in office why wasn't Hillary locked up like he promised? The debates with her remind me of a poorly written soap opera. Something is in the works and it's not good.
    it's one of two things...either Trump is legit and the swamp is too deep, or he's a part of it. There are no other options.
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    To me he got the swamped drained enough to expose what he could.
    To many would rather it fill back up not have to come to terms with what's underneath
    Here's a clip from 1988 where he said he'd consider running only if it got bad enough



    He knew how things ran but I don't believe he was in on the shit they're pulling
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    I want to believe that Trump was truly pulling for the average American, but for the reason that if the USA was doing really good, and it was, then when he left office the business man in him and his family would reap the benefits of a great economy. He was beaten down by a really deep swamp as well as an epidemic that destroyed most of what he built. Also fighting the news media that pretty much dismissed what good he did and put on billboards what he didn't do to their standards. That the swamp included the news media really hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imanaknut View Post
    I want to believe that Trump was truly pulling for the average American, but for the reason that if the USA was doing really good, and it was, then when he left office the business man in him and his family would reap the benefits of a great economy. He was beaten down by a really deep swamp as well as an epidemic that destroyed most of what he built. Also fighting the news media that pretty much dismissed what good he did and put on billboards what he didn't do to their standards. That the swamp included the news media really hurt.
    The media and Deep State are all Commucrats and the pandemic was planned by the Commucrats as are their "reactions" to it. It's all part of the agenda.
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    This is a great read on the reset by one of the tools from wef, the mouthpiece of the idea itself;

    "My biggest concern is all the people who do not live in our city. Those we lost on the way. Those who decided that it became too much, all this technology. Those who felt obsolete and useless when robots and AI took over big parts of our jobs. Those who got upset with the political system and turned against it. They live different kind of lives outside of the city. Some have formed little self-supplying communities. Others just stayed in the empty and abandoned houses in small 19th century villages.

    Once in awhile I get annoyed about the fact that I have no real privacy. No where I can go and not be registered. I know that, somewhere, everything I do, think and dream of is recorded. I just hope that nobody will use it against me.

    All in all, it is a good life. Much better than the path we were on, where it became so clear that we could not continue with the same model of growth. We had all these terrible things happening: lifestyle diseases, climate change, the refugee crisis, environmental degradation, completely congested cities, water pollution, air pollution, social unrest and unemployment. We lost way too many people before we realised that we could do things differently.
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    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/...d-change-2030/

    This part struck me the most;
    "Once in awhile I get annoyed about the fact that I have no real privacy. No where I can go and not be registered. I know that, somewhere, everything I do, think and dream of is recorded. I just hope that nobody will use it against me."
    "And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"

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    Otto and aknut...I pray that you are both right. I guess we'll know one way or the other if Joe Potatohead is allowed to ascend.

    One thing is sure if he is, there's no point in voting any longer...it's revolution or descend into the next Venezuela...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    Otto and aknut...I pray that you are both right. I guess we'll know one way or the other if Joe Potatohead is allowed to ascend.

    One thing is sure if he is, there's no point in voting any longer...it's revolution or descend into the next Venezuela...
    Oh, he will be "allowed" to ascend. The question is for HOW LONG??
    With the "investigations" of son Hunter and brother James, while interesting, especially if they were to actually lead to something, they are more likely to be used to embarrass and compromise "Plugs". Then they can use the 25th Amendment to "remove" Joe and advance their "real" president, the one who quit before the first debate due to her inability to raise money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTHunter View Post
    Oh, he will be "allowed" to ascend. The question is for HOW LONG??
    With the "investigations" of son Hunter and brother James, while interesting, especially if they were to actually lead to something, they are more likely to be used to embarrass and compromise "Plugs". Then they can use the 25th Amendment to "remove" Joe and advance their "real" president, the one who quit before the first debate due to her inability to raise money.
    Regardless of whether he serves one month, one year or more before they replace him with kamelface...if the steal is allowed to take place, there is no longer any reason to vote, ever again; the republic is lost; the choice before us is revolution or the decline into irrelevance and serfdom.
    If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    Regardless of whether he serves one month, one year or more before they replace him with kamelface...if the steal is allowed to take place, there is no longer any reason to vote, ever again; the republic is lost; the choice before us is revolution or the decline into irrelevance and serfdom.
    All the more reason to refuse to follow Idiot Joe's gun control laws. Refuse to turn in anything. Make them use force to carry out his unconstitutional laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alismith View Post
    All the more reason to refuse to follow Idiot Joe's gun control laws. Refuse to turn in anything. Make them use force to carry out his unconstitutional laws.
    The time for offense is before the position has been solidified, not after, not attacking the stronghold.

    This is the moment my friend...all after is a defensive, holding strategy...the strategy of patriots for decades now.

    You will forgive me...I'm pissed...I'm damn well pissed the hell off...I'm pissed enough to see red.

    We're on the cusp of a loss of all freedom and total serfdom and you're telling me just continue to resist?

    “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you’d be cracking the skull of a cutthroat.”
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    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
    ― Martin Niemöller

    This is it boobie...this is the great banana, the whole enchilada, that pivotal moment when Caesar decided to cross the Rubicon, or just said...screw it...let's go with the corruption of the Senate...what the hell...it'll be fine...

    I'm not ready to go into that goodnight yet...are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    The time for offense is before the position has been solidified, not after, not attacking the stronghold.

    This is the moment my friend...all after is a defensive, holding strategy...the strategy of patriots for decades now.

    You will forgive me...I'm pissed...I'm damn well pissed the hell off...I'm pissed enough to see red.

    We're on the cusp of a loss of all freedom and total serfdom and you're telling me just continue to resist?

    “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you’d be cracking the skull of a cutthroat.”
    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
    ― Martin Niemöller

    This is it boobie...this is the great banana, the whole enchilada, that pivotal moment when Caesar decided to cross the Rubicon, or just said...screw it...let's go with the corruption of the Senate...what the hell...it'll be fine...

    I'm not ready to go into that goodnight yet...are you?
    I'm just following Solzhenitzen's idea on how to stop this from the outset.

    The problem with attacking now is that the Left would use it to their benefit. They'd have justification to call in the military. Also, those gun owners who are on the fence would, probably, be swayed to join in with the Left, or not raise a finger to help those patriots who rebelled.

    No, the only way to play this is for the Left to make the first move. Then, the justification for any rebellious action would be seen as a response to an attack, not as an "unprovoked" attack.

    America didn't start the war with England; they responded when the British fired on the patriots. From there, we fought hard and won our independence, just like we'll do when Idiot Joe sends his goons to confiscate our guns.

    The time to act is AFTER the Left attacks first; not before. Their attack will sway opinion against them and solidify those forces who line up against them.

    So far, the Left hasn't seen any response from gun owners, but when they make their move, they will see just how pissed off everyone really is. No quarter will be given and none will be expected.

    They will finally reap the consequences for their actions.
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    That attack won't come until they are secure in their control of the policia, fed agencies, military assets. They know better than to strike before they have all their ducks in a row...America is too well armed to do otherwise.

    No, my friend, if we wait that long the British will overwhelm nearly all assets in one fell swoop...it will not be piecemeal. They already have the lists and the intelligence, now they just need to consolidate their rule for a year or so. You can expect them to strike just prior to the 2022 elections, which will be postponed due the martial law that will be enacted at the same time...for the children...

    I love ya ali...but you're being myopic on this one.

    These are not Solzhenitsyn's times...these are 1984 meets Cyberdyne systems times...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    Regardless of whether he serves one month, one year or more before they replace him with kamelface...if the steal is allowed to take place, there is no longer any reason to vote, ever again; the republic is lost; the choice before us is revolution or the decline into irrelevance and serfdom.
    Quote Originally Posted by alismith View Post
    All the more reason to refuse to follow Idiot Joe's gun control laws. Refuse to turn in anything. Make them use force to carry out his unconstitutional laws.
    Agreed !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    That attack won't come until they are secure in their control of the policia, fed agencies, military assets. They know better than to strike before they have all their ducks in a row...America is too well armed to do otherwise.
    And I question if they will ever feel they are "secure enough". Under Biden, it is unlikely. Kameltoe, on the other hand, is probably enough of a lunatic to try anything. She will be very likely to (after replacing Biden) ride roughshod over so many people that she might just anger enough people that more will defy her "edicts".
    A "Second American Revolution" is still likely. Whether it would succeed or not is the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTHunter View Post
    And I question if they will ever feel they are "secure enough". Under Biden, it is unlikely. Kameltoe, on the other hand, is probably enough of a lunatic to try anything. She will be very likely to (after replacing Biden) ride roughshod over so many people that she might just anger enough people that more will defy her "edicts".
    A "Second American Revolution" is still likely. Whether it would succeed or not is the question.
    It will succeed once we regain control of the MSM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by insider View Post
    It will succeed once we regain control of the MSM.
    The ONLY way for that to ever happen is to start over completely. Get rid of EVERYONE in the current Communist-controlled MSM and hire only those who agree to report news as it happens and not create news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    That attack won't come until they are secure in their control of the policia, fed agencies, military assets. They know better than to strike before they have all their ducks in a row...America is too well armed to do otherwise.
    I really don't believe they will attack we the people even after securing everything. The bloodshed would make Kent State look like it never existed. I cannot imagine armed military conflict within the United States, even knowing that the government raided that Waco compound and killed 80 something.

    On the other hand the news media would love it. With the daily COVID death count reminding me of the Vietnam times, blood on the streets in the name of firearm confiscation would make another "wonderful" daily news count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imanaknut View Post
    On the other hand the news media would love it. With the daily COVID death count reminding me of the Vietnam times, blood on the streets in the name of firearm confiscation would make another "wonderful" daily news count.
    Now add in all the exhortations to hold Trump supporters accountable, gulag them, deny them the covid vaccine (not that I'll take it anyway...they'd be doing us a favor there), all the lefties demanding our deaths, cheering Rush's cancer, their dancing on the Donald's presumed grave when he tested positive?

    Oh yeah, the news phrase "If it bleeds it leads" speaks volumes here.
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