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    6 years and Rovers are still functioning



    January 15, 2010 11:10 AM PST
    Mars rover Spirit's days may be numbered
    by Jennifer Guevin

    The Spirit rover had been cruising around the Red Planet, along with its companion, Opportunity, since they both arrived six years ago this month. (Spirit landed on January 3, 2004, while Opportunity landed on January 24 of that year.) Their mission to send back photos and data about the Martian surface was expected to last a mere 90 days. Instead, the two traveling research bots blew away all expectations, continuing their treks year after year.

    However, scientists warn that Spirit's most recent anniversary might have been its last. The rover became stuck in a sand trap nine months ago, after one of its wheels broke through a crusty layer of soil into a pocket of loose sand. It wasn't the first time Spirit has run into trouble. Its right-front wheel stopped working in 2006, and a month ago, its right-rear wheel began to fail.

    Scientists continue to try to get Spirit out of the sand pit, but so far those efforts have been unsuccessful. Wiggling the wheels and rotating them very slowly have resulted in only minimal improvements in the situation. Next, NASA could try having Spirit drive backward or use its robotic arm to sculpt the ground directly in front of one of its wheels. But expectations are low, and on Wednesday, NASA said it is running out of maneuvers to attempt.

    All of this is worsened by the fact that the rovers are solar-powered, which means they need to collect sunlight with their onboard solar panels in order to power their operations and create enough heat to survive the frigid winters on Mars.

    In the southern hemisphere of Mars, where Spirit is trapped, it is currently autumn--so precious sunlight is declining with each day. The rover also happens to have settled into a position that's far from ideal for collecting what sunlight remains. It's tilted five degrees to the south, but the sun is in the north.

    Even if Spirit cannot escape its sandy prison, all isn't necessarily lost--at least for now. Ray Arvidson, who's from Washington University in St. Louis and who also serves as deputy principal investigator for the rovers, says that if scientists can improve Spirit's tilt, it might be able to collect enough power to keep doing research right where it is.

    "We can study the interior of Mars, monitor the weather, and continue examining the interesting deposits uncovered by Spirit's wheels," said Arvidson in a statement.

    If the team cannot free Spirit or improve its angle, NASA estimates that the rover will run out of power in May--if not sooner.

    Meanwhile, Spirit's sister rover, Opportunity, keeps rolling on. It is currently making the seven-mile trek from Mars' Victoria crater to the Endeavour crater to continue its research.

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    Pretty damned impressive, kinda sad the little guys are gona croak eventually, silly I know.

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    90 days became 6 years?
    That's excellent!

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampdragon View Post
    90 days became 6 years?
    That's excellent!
    They musta been built in the Ford truck plant in Kansas City.

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    I thought you meant "Land Rover" at first, which I would have found A) Shocking and B) Impossible (at least for anything not a Series I-III or Defender).
    Because you suck. And I hate you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysander View Post
    I thought you meant "Land Rover" at first, which I would have found A) Shocking and B) Impossible (at least for anything not a Series I-III or Defender).
    LOL, I thought the same thing at first myself.

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    24 times it's life expectancy, way impressive!!

    Too bad Obama's shelf life was the reverse of that!

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    6 years and not one photo of that American flag that our astronauts put up there?! WTF man?
    US Constitution: Article 1 Section 8 Paragraph 4

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampdragon View Post
    90 days became 6 years?
    typical government......

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    Quote Originally Posted by L1A1Rocker View Post
    6 years and not one photo of that American flag that our astronauts put up there?! WTF man?
    When did the astronauts go to Mars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiskeyman View Post
    When did the astronauts go to Mars?
    You know in that one movie...

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiskeyman View Post
    When did the astronauts go to Mars?
    You missed that joke - maybe I should have put it in quotes. It was some dem woman in congras (shela jackson lee maybe) that made that statement on the House floor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L1A1Rocker View Post
    You missed that joke - maybe I should have put it in quotes. It was some dem woman in congras (shela jackson lee maybe) that made that statement on the House floor.
    Makes sense, she was talking about south and north vietnam the other day in a real time setting. She's oblivious to the 40 years since the north took over the south. Sheesh.

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    This is one of the most impressive things that engineers have ever done. I remember where I was when the first one landed and they were scared they
    would not be able to get it off the lander. DARTH VADER voice " Impressive, Most Impressive. " Too bad Americas science light seems to be dimming.
    While no one ever listens to me,
    I am constantly being told to be quiet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefferson View Post
    You know in that one movie...
    "Mission to Mars" when they went inside the "face."
    That was actually a really good movie.
    I liked it anyways...

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    Quote Originally Posted by l921428x View Post
    This is one of the most impressive things that engineers have ever done. I remember where I was when the first one landed and they were scared they
    would not be able to get it off the lander. DARTH VADER voice " Impressive, Most Impressive. " Too bad Americas science light seems to be dimming.
    That's because there are too many people like Arnulf now who think NASA sucks.
    It's a crying shame.

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    Probably the last NASA mission to Mars, now that they're focused on reaching out to muslims rather than space exploration...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    Probably the last NASA mission to Mars, now that they're focused on reaching out to muslims rather than space exploration...
    Obviously not headline news now but they backed away from that position quicker than they went into it. Seems like the tax paying public didn't much care for that. Apparently Obama was wrong when he declared to the French press that we were not a Chrisitan nation anymore and we are one of the worlsds largest Muslim nations.

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    Martian Blue Berry Sandwich

    March 24, 2010

    Mars Rover Examines Odd Material at Small, Young Crater

    Image Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/Cornell University






    PASADENA, Calif -- Weird coatings on rocks beside a young Martian crater remain puzzling after a preliminary look at data from examination of the site by NASA's Opportunity rover.

    The rover spent six weeks investigating the crater called "Concepción" before resuming its long journey this month. The crater is about 10 meters (33 feet) in diameter. Dark rays extending from it, as seen from orbit, flagged it in advance as a target of interest because the rays suggest the crater is young. An image from orbit showing Opportunity beside Concepción is at PIA12969 in the Photojournal.

    The rocks ejected outward from the impact that dug Concepción are chunks of the same type of bedrock Opportunity has seen at hundreds of locations since landing in January 2004: soft, sulfate-rich sandstone holding harder peppercorn-size dark spheres like berries in a muffin. The little spheres, rich in iron, gained the nickname "blueberries."

    "It was clear from the images that Opportunity took on the approach to Concepción that there was strange stuff on lots of the rocks near the crater," said Steve Squyres of Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., principal investigator for Opportunity and its twin rover, Spirit. "There's dark, grayish material coating faces of the rocks and filling fractures in them. At least part of it is composed of blueberries jammed together as close as you could pack them. We've never seen anything like this before."

    Opportunity used tools on its robotic arm to examine this unusual material on a rock called "Chocolate Hills." In some places, the layer of closely packed spheres lies between thinner, smoother layers. "It looks like a blueberry sandwich," said Matt Golombek, a rover science-team member at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. An image of the coating material is at http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA12970 .

    Initial analysis of the coating's composition does not show any obvious component from whatever space rock hit Mars to dig the crater, but that is not a surprise, Golombek said. "The impact is so fast, most of the impactor vaporizes," he said. "Thin films of melt get thrown out, but typically the composition of the melt is the stuff that the impactor hit, rather than the impactor material."

    The composition Opportunity found for the dark coating material fits at least two hypotheses being evaluated, and possibly others. One is that the material resulted from partial melting of blueberry-containing sandstone from the energy of the impact. Another is that it formed from filling of fractures in this type of rock before the impact occurred.

    "It's possible that when you melt this rock, the sandstone melts before the blueberries do, leaving intact blueberries as part of a melt layer," Squyres said. "As an alternative, we know that this type of rock has fractures and that the sandstone can dissolve. Long ago, water flowing through fractures could have dissolved the sandstone and liberated blueberries that fell down into the fracture and packed together. In this hypothesis, the impact that excavated the crater did not play a role in forming this material, but split rocks along fractures so the material is exposed on the exterior like a coating."

    Golombek said, "One consideration that jumps out is that we've been driving around this part of Mars for six years and never seen this stuff before, then we get to this young crater and it's coating rocks all around the crater. Sure looks like there's a connection, but it could just be a coincidence."

    The observation that the rocks thrown from the crater have not yet eroded away much is evidence that the crater is young, confirming the suggestion from the dark rays. Squyres said, "We're not ready to attach a number to it, but this is really young. It is the youngest crater we've ever seen with Opportunity and probably the youngest either rover has seen."

    One question Opportunity's visit did answer was about the dark rays: "We wondered before getting to Concepción why the rays are dark," Golombek said. "We found out that the rays are areas with blocks of light-toned sandstone ejected from the crater. They look dark from orbit because of the shadows that the blocks are casting when the orbital images are taken in mid-afternoon."

    Since departing Concepción on March 9, Opportunity has driven 614 meters (2,014 feet) farther along the route to its long-term destination at Endeavour Crater, about 19 kilometers (12 miles) in diameter and still at a drive distance of more than 12 kilometers (7 miles).

    Squyres said, "We're on the road again. We have a healthy rover and we have enough power for substantial drives. We want to get to Endeavour with a healthy rover. It takes a compelling target for us to stop and study. And Concepción was a compelling target."

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    http://marsrover.nasa.gov/newsroom/p...20100324a.html
    Just watched the PBS show about the NASA moon mission when we first sstepped on the surface. I thought about the technology and guts they had at the time. American made mostly. Now our technology is made in Where? Our guts are being spilled in Iraq for what? We can't protect our own borders or keep violent criminals in prison yet here comes the old Rover still chugging along as a reminder of what we used to be and could be again. No balls left in government and yet people still think we should vote for the same two parties because....................

    I'm a crippled old man slowly losing my sight and hearing, legs shot, back hurts but still incredibly good looking. I would let them send my old carcass up in space to work on whatever I was still able to do even if I couldn't come back if it would help us get our squirrely asses back into space again.

    Just give me a day off once in awhile, a 22 pistol and a target to shoot at and I would be a happy man. Anybody here think we would have pacemakers if we hadn't gone to space? That is where it is at. Out there is where our school is and where the future of our back sliding pathetic liberal nation. We need to get our asses back on those big honking rockets and do something before we get taken over by the outlaws and barbarians of Africa and Mexico. We need to get some real cooperation between us and France, Japan, India, anybody with gutsy scientists and a willingness to get their hands dirty with real science.

    Or we can follow handjob Gore and the Climate change people and wring our hands pathetically while we cry in our chamomile tea.
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    Yeah, I know its NASA... how much you wanna bet those failing wheels/parts were made in China? Knowing the government... it wouldn't surprise me.

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