Don't know if you guys follow "Task & Purpose" Youtube channel, but he outlined something that I never considered. This changes my perception on the efficacy of Russia's military, at least in the 'boots on the ground' phase. They're still a threat because of submarines, Nukes, Bombers, etc. but their systemic corruption is DESTROYING their own military.
The American public is losing confidence in our own military a recent poll. The wussification of ours will lead to our downfall, the pathetic leaders like General milli vanilli, the leadership has to go woke, adhere to communists above them or be dismissed, proven sailors, soldiers, pilots who love this country are being rooted out, those who won't be vaxxed are being thrown out. The time is ripe with POS president and a congress and Senate full of leftist traitors for countries like China to make their move.
They may not have the means to easily take what they want insofar as land warfare in ukraine, but their strategic arms and delivery systems seem to be effective, and that alone is what concerns me. I feel their new armata mbt/ifv series is likely just as susceptible to current western atgms as the t80s/90s now having their turrets popped as a matter of routine - corruption systemic to their military and industrial complex is irrelevant here as physics determines the end result of russian armor. In the end, I feel it much more likely that mafia took over russia in '92 than oligarchy, a mafia with nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them worldwide.
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"And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"
It's been slightly less than four months since this war started and Russia now controls all of the Donbas region, which was their goal...seems reasonably efficient to me.
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Um. Not quite. Russia suffered WAY MORE casualties than was predicted by nearly everyone. They held back a lot of 'front line' armored units because those units were not combat ready (aka lacking spare parts). They should have been able to overwhelm the Ukrainians if they were the 'Red Army' of old, but they're not. Sure they have a much larger military, but despite their victories, it's been haphazard and at a great cost. Remember that they're not limited by 'rules of engagement'. They can commit total war, whereas the USA has been hamstrung by some very limiting ROE for 70 years. I'm convinced that Russia cannot survive against a near peer enemy in just a ground and conventional warfare conflict. The only thing keeping them powerful is their nukes and subs. That's pretty much it (in my opinion, which has changed in the last four months).Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable
This is in part because their objective was to only take back the Donbas region, not to conquer Ukraine in toto.Um. Not quite. Russia suffered WAY MORE casualties than was predicted by nearly everyone. They held back a lot of 'front line' armored units because those units were not combat ready (aka lacking spare parts). They should have been able to overwhelm the Ukrainians if they were the 'Red Army' of old, but they're not. Sure they have a much larger military, but despite their victories, it's been haphazard and at a great cost. Remember that they're not limited by 'rules of engagement'. They can commit total war, whereas the USA has been hamstrung by some very limiting ROE for 70 years. I'm convinced that Russia cannot survive against a near peer enemy in just a ground and conventional warfare conflict. The only thing keeping them powerful is their nukes and subs. That's pretty much it (in my opinion, which has changed in the last four months).
When the US invaded Iraq, we bombed the bejeebers out of every military and infrastructure portion of their country. We took out their power, water, civilian gov't in cities of any size, along with every military target identified...before the ground troops went in, the objective being to occupy the entire country. Additionally, we didn't have a country like Russia or China aiding and abetting Iraq, sending them money and weapons galore to fight back, with boots on the ground in training and logistics. Iraq also didn't have Russia or China with their tentacles wrapped up in Iraqi government the way the neocons were wrapped in Ukraine's affairs for a decade before the invasion...there was no Biden criminal family from Russia or China playing in Iraq's backyard for a decade or more prior to our invasion...indeed, since GWI we had them pretty well hemmed in.
Russia could have done the same...all out bombing/missile blitz before sending in the ground and pound, but their objectives were different. They didn't want to conquer and occupy all of Ukraine, just the Donbas, which they've now done. Their next objective is to make sure Ukraine has no ability to mount a counter offensive to take back those Donbas regions.
Were there clumsy errors in their propagation...absolutely! But remember, their last real war was in Afghanistan, and once again they had the US aiding, training and supplying the Mujahedeen against them. All we had against us in Iraq was the inept Iraqi military.
Oh, and how did that whole Afghani thing work out for us, even without Russia or China giving material, financial and logistical support to the opposition?
And if you want to talk about corruption in a military system, we should discuss where all those trillions spent in Iraq and Afghaniland really went.
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If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.
He, Who Will Not Reason, Is a Bigot; He, Who Cannot, Is a Fool; and He, Who Dares Not, Is a Slave. -Sir William Drummond
There are some things I will not abide within my sight!
Reminds of parts of the movie Lord of War where cage's uncle is selling off his bases Ak's and Helicopters to him. Good movie with lots of BS with a hint of realism.
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