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    So. Your thoughts. Disband the FBI? Reform it? What to do?

    Some folks want to relegate all law enforcement duties to the state and local levels. I fully understand the need for a federal branch to do duties that require constantly crossing jurisdictions. But in recent years, we've seen the corruption and debasement of the FBI by the Democrats. The FBI are now merely armed thugs of the Democrat party.

    We need federal investigation ... sometimes. It just seems like they've run out of things to do and now have to make up stuff to be 'freaked out' over. The entire baloney of 'anti government militias' being the 'biggest threat' to the nation. Small bands of 'sovereign citizens' are not a threat. if anything, even the most tin foil hat anti fed groups tend to be 'isolationist', aka they just want to be left alone in their prepper compounds in the middle of the forest or mountains. It's the commies, the BLM and the ANTIFA who are burning the cities and attacking people who want to be left alone, and yet, BLM and ANTIFA are not targets of federal investigation. Of course we know why. Those are the 'idiot' foot soldiers of the Democrat party.

    So now what? I lean towards total reformation of the FBI. We have to cull all the idiots and ideologues out of the bureau. A lot of people are saying "disband the FBI'. I'm not one of those persons. I also don't want the ATF disbanded, however, I want the scope of their duties and power extremely downsized and limited. After all, someone needs to get tax stamps from all the wineries and tobacco farmers The ATF's firearms oversight is purely based on federal gun control laws (NFA, GCA and the most recent attempts). Their attempts to expand their own authority via regulation versus laws is despicable. They should be what they were several generations ago, with strict oversight and held on a tight leash. I think the same should be done for the FBI. If the FBI has so much time and resources to target innocent AMERICANS, then they have too many people and too much money.

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    Just before my father passed away, he talked about how horrified he was that after spending a year and a half in Europe and specifically NAZI Germany getting rid of Satan on Earth, he could not believe the power that the IRS had amassed. He said that Hitler would have been proud to have the IRS in his charge. Now we have the FBI turned into a power hungry organization, another group that would have fit perfectly into NAZI Germany.

    There have to be some good people in the FBI, but they are most likely too afraid to say or do anything as they know that the monster in charge would turn the full power of the beast against them. Our only hope is that a sane government gets elected and they have the stuff needed to fight the dragon, cutting hit's head off and doing a lot of blood letting. Please note to all those who don't understand figurative speech, I in no way advocate violence in restoring FBI into a proper policing organization.

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    Interesting video rant from Bongino.

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    Let's be honest, the only legit FBI agent is Fox Mulder.

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    I think this is unfortunately what you get when all of your departments are run by political appointees; you either have cronies or ass kissers running the show at every level.

    Other than electing every cabinet official, director, secretary, etc. which isn't practical at all, I'm not sure what the solution is to get impartiality they way we are supposed to have in the SCOTUS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 308 View Post
    Let's be honest, the only legit FBI agent is Fox Mulder.
    And his partner Dana Sculley. She has nice tits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nashorn View Post
    And his partner Dana Sculley. She has nice tits.
    And was (almost) a "ginger".
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTHunter View Post
    And was (almost) a "ginger".
    Gillian Anderson was a natural blonde, right? I believe she dyed her hair for the role of Scully. Also she LIED about her age. She claimed she was older than she was. But in the first season of The X files, she was only 21 years old. She LOOKED like a college upperclassman because she was that age. LOL. She was a serious beauty! That's why she just looked better and better the TEN years the show was on.


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    It's been corrupt since J. Edgar...deep six it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    It's been corrupt since J. Edgar...deep six it!
    J. Edgar, as much as he was able to, refused to get involved in political schemes. He tried to keep the FBI independent. Bobby Kennedy, the AG, kept trying to get him to investigate various political figures he didn't like and J. Edgar did this with as little involvement as possible. J. Edgar didn't think much of Bobby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    It's been corrupt since J. Edgar...deep six it!
    This one has always bothered me and especially now that we see it come to fruition

    “The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst. It rejects even the assumption that human creatures could espouse a philosophy which must ultimately destroy all that is good and decent.”
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    not just the fbi. let's reform the civil services. also, get rid of the government unions. the socialists are trying to get 80,000 more irs agents. this will give them millions more in campaign contributions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alismith View Post
    J. Edgar, as much as he was able to, refused to get involved in political schemes. He tried to keep the FBI independent. Bobby Kennedy, the AG, kept trying to get him to investigate various political figures he didn't like and J. Edgar did this with as little involvement as possible. J. Edgar didn't think much of Bobby.
    And he also kept blackmail material on just about any/every politician he could...I'd call that corrupt as hell, and that sort of "leadership" filters down to the ranks.
    If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    And he also kept blackmail material on just about any/every politician he could...I'd call that corrupt as hell, and that sort of "leadership" filters down to the ranks.
    He, probably, did that to keep politicians out of FBI business. If they started telling him what to do, he had something to lever against them. I would say it was more of an insurance policy....but, yes, it was corrupt, too, however, he mainly wanted to keep the FBI from becoming a political arm of the party in power. It was far fairer under him than anyone else since him.

    obama gave the alphabet agencies their biggest boost, especially when he bought around a million rounds of ammo for the Dept. of Education. (I was a public school teacher and I never received any of that ammo.)

    Nixon and Clinton tried to use them, but obama really got it rolling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    And he also kept blackmail material on just about any/every politician he could...I'd call that corrupt as hell, and that sort of "leadership" filters down to the ranks.
    Makes one curious how many 4K Epstein style vids are being used to keep certain people in line.

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    Exactly!
    During Ghislaine Maxwell's trial, the judge refused to release the contents of the 'black book' which was a list of of Epstein's clients.
    Anyone listed in that book or on the flight logs should have been investigated and hauled into court to testify.

    Problem is, most of the state and federal prosecutors that could issue those subpoenas are probably 'members of the club'.
    Along with Reps. and Senators from both sided of the isle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alismith View Post
    J. Edgar, as much as he was able to, refused to get involved in political schemes. He tried to keep the FBI independent. Bobby Kennedy, the AG, kept trying to get him to investigate various political figures he didn't like and J. Edgar did this with as little involvement as possible. J. Edgar didn't think much of Bobby.
    I would also add that a lot of what we 'know about J. Edgar Hoover' was told to us...... by the Democrat establishment. I've come to not trust anything a Democrat tells us. I will vet what a Republican tells me since there are many dishonest or just dumb Republicans. But my inherent trust of anything a DEMOCRAT tells me, is automatically ZERO.

    I'm beginning to think 'all the bad things that J. Edgar is supposed to have done, was spoon fed to us by the Democrats. Kinda makes you wonder, no? Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tank_monkey View Post
    I would also add that a lot of what we 'know about J. Edgar Hoover' was told to us...... by the Democrat establishment. I've come to not trust anything a Democrat tells us. I will vet what a Republican tells me since there are many dishonest or just dumb Republicans. But my inherent trust of anything a DEMOCRAT tells me, is automatically ZERO.

    I'm beginning to think 'all the bad things that J. Edgar is supposed to have done, was spoon fed to us by the Democrats. Kinda makes you wonder, no? Just a thought.
    I read about J. Edgar in a book written by his Deputy Director (I forget what the name of it was) and he addressed many of the rumors that were circulating about him at the time, and told of a lot of in-house things that he was privy to. J. Edgar was said to be a homo, but the author saw absolutely no evidence of it. He simply preferred to live alone and didn't have much to do with men or women outside of work. Also, there were supposed to be statues of naked men in his house, but again, every time he went over, he saw none of that anywhere.

    He couldn't substantiate whether he had a lot of dirt on people, or not. He never saw any of that used, but he did say that certain politicians were super respectful of him and never asked him to do anything for them. J. Edgar had extreme dislikes of certain politicians, but never went after them in any way. He just made sure he kept away from them as much as he was able to. However, if business called for him to meet with them he met with them even thought he hated to do that. No one ever tried to get rid of him, even if they didn't like him. (IF Hoover did have files on them, then they were used as insurance to protect his job. The Deputy believes that most of these "blackmail file" rumors were started by Hoover, himself to keep people away from him.)

    He , also, told of the many times Bobby Kennedy wanted him to investigate and track certain people and J. Edgar either made excuses as to why he couldn't do that or if he were forced to do it, he only did a minimalist job of it.

    J. Edgar really did want and try to keep the FBI concentrated on investigations and out of politics as much as he was able to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kuntryboy View Post
    not just the fbi. let's reform the civil services. also, get rid of the government unions. the socialists are trying to get 80,000 more irs agents. this will give them millions more in campaign contributions.
    That is the biggest problem. Gov't unions. There is nobody to check them. Private unions I understand, but taxpayers have nobody watching their backs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuntryboy View Post
    not just the fbi. let's reform the civil services. also, get rid of the government unions. the socialists are trying to get 80,000 more irs agents. this will give them millions more in campaign contributions.
    There was even a "want ad" the FBI had posted (and then removed) looking for agents with firearms training/skills that "would be willing to use deadly force, if necessary." This may say something about how "fair" their audits will be in the future.
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