The trans-Palestine Colony consisted of all of Jordan and Israel. The Brits gave Jordan, 2/3rds to 4/5ths of the land to the Arabs and the much smaller size area to the Jews. Basically the part Jews had occupied for over 3,000 years. And yes, they had continuously lived there, at least in small numbers.
The only problem with that is that it was still illegal under international law.Originally Posted by El Laton Caliente
Breaking international law is breaking the law. Smashing a man's guns because he's handing them out to people around you doesn't make it right.
Normal Palestinians? Please elaborate. My story above should convince you otherwise, they are treated as second-class citizens.
Okay, granted.
The Old Testament was a morale-story to shut up the children on a donkey ride across the Babylonian Empire.
Fuck, you're naive. The Igrun had been terrorising Brits and Arabs since '46. They blew up the King David Hotel. Reprisals and counter-reprisals, killing soldiers in cold blood.
They were looking to get even. If they wanted peace they should have fucked off to where they were born and take back the houses given over to Nazi sympathisers. The Jews are respected throughout the international world after the holocaust and were deluded in the thought they needed a homeland at all.
The Jews have been the most successful terrorists of all time. They expect the Arabs to just let it go. Fuck them for all they did. Who packs families of Arabs off to camps to steal their houses and makes them unwelcome in the town of their birth?
The plan was voted on and passed by the UN in 1947 or 1948. What international law are you talking about?
also, if palistine was a country, who was the leader in 1910? Or 1939? Or, lets say, 1946? Who was the leader in 1900? Or 1890? You keep saying they invaded and stole land from a sovereign country.....
You cannot answer. There is no answer. Palistine was a territory, jointly inhabited by jews and palistineans alike for thousands of years. And international law recognized israel in 1948, so how was it illegal?
And you still haven't told me who was president, or King of palistine in 1946?
"What sick, barbaric bastards.
It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?
Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "
So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....
If I remember my world history correctly, Babalonian Empire never extended to the Mediteranian coast in the areas of Israel or Egypt except for less than a century about 650BC. The Jews had been in Israel for about 1500+ years by then...
FACT CHECK
http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm
I'm about 500 years off on the original settlement by the Jews according to that... I like the way they call the area Palestine even though the name was used for a short period after the Jewish Diaspora by the Romans and resurrected centuries later by the British invaders. The local population never called it Palestine until Yasser Arafat resurrected the name again in the 1960s.
Yeah, its a biased article. But STILL no answer.....who was the leader of palistine in 1948, the year israel 'stole' the land? Who did the palistinians elect as there leader? You keep saying it was a country, talking of it as a country......so who was its leader? Can you point it out on a map? Because all I'll see it either israel (after 1948), or land occupied and protected by Britian, or land occupied by Romans, or land occupied by turks. But go ahead, I need to know who the great and all powerful leader of this mythical nation of palistine was.....
"What sick, barbaric bastards.
It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?
Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "
So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....
Deluded? Let's see...the US wasn't taking more Jews, Britain certainly wasn't, Cuba wouldn't even take them. There wasn't a country in Europe or the new world that offered asylum to all of them after the war.
Those jews who thought everything was over and tried to go back to their houses found someone else living in them. I can't begin to tell you how many stories I heard of jews trying to reclaim those properties and were run out of town or killed outright while the local cops pretty much looked on and did nothing.
Somehow though hanging around Germany, Poland, France didn't seem like such the good idea.
The international community was considering the idea of commencing to contemplate the notion of possibly looking into the thought of setting up some sort of enclave like area in Argentina...sort of a game preserve for jews.
So yeah, jews went to "Palestine", it was pretty much the only place where they would have the backing of people actually willing to put their lives on the line to sneak them into the country, or attack what were fast becoming British concentration camps to break out jews trying to come in to a desert no one actually wanted at the time.
What were the Brits thinking on that one BTW..yeah take a bunch of people fleeing desperately from a Europe that completely turned on them and try to lock them back up in camps...yeah no reason they might resort to violence..dumbass.
Most jews didn't go there because it was the "promised land", they went there because they had no where else to go.
As to "illegal war"....did the Romans call up and tell they were invading, how about the Normans? Was the bombing of London no biggie because Germany had already declared war? Didn't Germany rather surprise Poland where most of the Jews lived...was that one legal? What exactly were the British doing in the Levant in the first place...oh right it was that dying empire thing. I imagine the Brits totally made everything was fully legal before dominating indigenous people all around the planet.
Grow up, all those countries had attacked Israel before, they were massing tanks infantry, and artillery right across the border. They were fortifying the Golan heights...as in "hey look up at the guns on that hill that are going to rain death upon us all".
You think they should have waited until those guns were fully placed? Until the Egyptian tanks were fully readied on the Syrian border?
Egypt was dicking around with the Seuz again, Israel warned them that if they closed the Straits of Tiran Israel would see this as an act of war.
Late May Egypt closed them to Israeli shipping, continued shipping tanks up to Syria, all of the countries Israel attacked were signing very public "mutual defense pacts"...it was a rather clear declaration of war.
So rather than let it drag out, or happen on the enemies timetable, Israel decided to get it over with. So the first week of June they attacked.
This is the problem with growing up listening to the BBC, sure the facts of the day are pretty much right, who blew up what, who said what, but the slant is insidious...unless you can filter out that BS then you come up with a rather twisted view.
Sadly, everyone.... Brits did it, US did it, all the Arabs did it, Germans did it, Russians, etc.Who packs families off to camps to steal their houses and makes them unwelcome in the town of their birth?
Think about it for 30 seconds, it's rather tough to find any country that didn't at some point steal, murder, and banish some group of people.
That said the Jews were actually pretty mild about it, broke up a few camps and sent people packing, maybe 15-20 thousand actually kicked out. Sometimes you need to kick people out..."sorry folks but you are sitting on what is about to be a battlefield..so get your crap and run".
The real bulk of course fled, it's not so fun sitting in your house while a war is going on around you.
I'm sure the BBC still reports of course that after the war the Jewish troops dropped off cement and tools to returning Arabs in order to help them rebuild. It also continues to report that Israel allowed for the return of anyone who wanted to up until that September. Most chose not to.
International law is very clear on two basic principles: the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the prohibition of the transfer of civilians of the occupying Power to the occupied territory. Both are intended to prevent expansionism and the colonization of occupied territories. Both compliment another explicit principle of international law, namely the right of peoples to self-determination, a right that a colonial or occupying Power is obliged to respect. The Israeli occupation has clearly violated all three of these principles of international law. In fact, throughout its prolonged occupation, Israel has persistently and aggressively breached international law.
Thus, what makes the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land illegal is not the fact that it occurred during the war of 1967 (regardless of the narrative concerning the causes of the war). What makes the Israeli occupation illegal is that it has existed for 35 years, during which time it transformed into a form of colonialism and suppressed and oppressed an entire people for decades, preventing them from the exercise of their right to self-determination and the establishment of their State, Palestine.
*Well here.
You can read the rest right here.
Or, probably find a million other sources of your choice saying the same thing.
http://www.jerusalemites.org/facts_documents/un/23.htm
Read my post on the Palestine Paper then tell me the Jews are the outlaws.
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THUCYDIDES.
see post #31
I'm sure Aztlán will be happy to hear that...do we give the Southwest back to them, or do we let them talk it over with the Pueblo tribes first?
All territory is held by force.
Think we got the ignorant bigot types on the run?
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"THE STATE THAT SEPARATES ITS SCHOLARS FROM IT WARRIORS WILL HAVE ITS THINKING DONE BY COWARDS AND ITS FIGHTING DONE BY FOOLS"
THUCYDIDES.
Amazing... it took TWELVE POSTS before the nazi card was played...
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I think you are missing the point.
The only reason Israel exists at all still is because of the U.S.
If the entire middle east says they are illegal...
And the UN says they are illegal too...
And International Law says they are illegal too...
Then there is probably something to it, don't you think?
If you want to say that all territory (illegal or not) is held by force (which is true actually,)
then it would also be true that force is justified in reclaiming it.
That's because he fell short when it came to have a legitimate case and point, and didn't know what else to do.
yes, it must be legal then
For peace of mind, resign as general manager of the universe
lol....
Who knows?
Some people base their arguments on emotions rather than what's really going on.
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