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    NRA grows a spine..... Reply to Obama's invite to work over the 2nd

    Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre and NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox rebut the President in a letter delivered to the White House on March 14, 2011. Read the letter below.



    National Rifle Association of America
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    March 14, 2011

    President Barack Obama
    The White House
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    Dear Mr. President:

    We read your editorial submission to the Arizona Star. However, to focus a national dialogue on guns – and not criminals or mental health issues – misses the point entirely. Americans are not afraid of gun ownership. To the contrary, they overwhelmingly support the fundamental, individual right to keep and bear arms. The primary reason why tens of millions of Americans own firearms is that they fear violent criminals roaming the streets undeterred.

    We agree with your assertion that "Americans by and large rightly refrained from finger-pointing" in light of the shooting in Tucson. In truth, the professional corps of gun control lobbyists moved with lightning speed to exploit the tragedy. These included the Violence Policy Center ("In the wake of these kind of incidents, the trick is to move quickly"), the Brady Campaign ("Gabrielle Giffords Shooting 'Inevitable'") and Mayors Against Illegal Guns-MAIG ("Bloomberg, Mayors Outline Steps to Help Prevent Another Tucson Shooting"). Your article contains talking points nearly identical to the ones circulated by MAIG for weeks in pursuit of its longstanding gun control agenda. In contrast, it was the National Rifle Association that avoided "playing politics with other people's pain" with our consistent response that only thoughts and prayers for the victims and their families were appropriate in the immediate aftermath.

    We also agree with your statement that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. Your record as a public official, however, is anything but supportive of the rights of law-abiding gun owners. In fact, when Congress had an opportunity to voice its support for the basic right of lawful Americans to own firearms, you refused to join a bipartisan majority of more than 300 of your colleagues in signing the congressional amicus brief to the Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller. In addition, you previously stated (and have never retracted) your support for both Washington, D.C.'s and Chicago's handgun and self-defense bans that the Court rightfully struck down in Heller and McDonald v. Chicago. Further, you surrounded yourself with advisors who have advocated against the Second Amendment for years (Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and Rahm Emanuel, to name just a few) and you nominated Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan to the U.S. Supreme Court, one of whom has already attempted to eliminate the Second Amendment right entirely. More recently, you selected Andrew Traver to head the BATFE, despite his long-standing association with groups that support onerous new restrictions on our rights.

    If you do in fact believe the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right, we suggest you demonstrate that in your policies and those of your Administration, which you have not done to date. Simply saying that you support the right to keep and bear arms is mere lip service if not put into action.

    The government owes its citizens its most vigorous efforts to enforce penalties against those who violate our existing laws. The NRA has members proudly serving in law enforcement agencies at every level. Rank and file law enforcement want to arrest bad people – not harass law-abiding gun owners and retailers.

    As for enforcing the laws on the books, we strongly suggest you enforce those that actually take violent criminals off the streets. To start, we urge you to contact every U.S. Attorney and ask them to bring at least ten cases per month against drug dealers, gang members and other violent felons caught illegally possessing firearms. By prosecuting these criminals in federal court – rather than state court – strong sentencing guidelines would apply and charges would not be plea-bargained or dismissed, nor would criminals be released after serving only a fraction of their sentences. This simple directive would result in roughly 12,000 violent criminals being taken off the streets every year. Surely you agree that this would be a good first step.

    Unfortunately, your Administration is currently under a cloud for allegedly encouraging violations of federal law. We suggest that you bring an immediate stop to BATFE's "Fast and Furious" operation, in which an unknown number of illegal firearm transactions were detected – and then encouraged to fruition by your BATFE, which allegedly decided to let thousands of firearms "walk" across the border and into the hands of murderous drug cartels. One federal officer has recently been killed and no one can predict what mayhem will still ensue. Despite the protests of gun dealers who wished to terminate these transactions, your Administration reportedly encouraged violations of federal firearms laws – and undermined the firearm industry's concerted efforts to deter straw purchases through the "Don't Lie for the Other Guy" program. We hope you agree with our belief that this burgeoning scandal merits a full and independent investigation.

    There are additional steps you can take to prevent tragic events such as the Tucson shooting from occurring in the future. One of these is to call on the national news media to refrain from giving deranged criminals minute-by-minute coverage of their heinous acts, which only serves to encourage copycat behavior. If media outlets won't show a fan running onto the field during a baseball game because they don't want to encourage that behavior by others – surely they can listen to law enforcement experts and refuse to air the photographs, video messages, or Facebook postings of madmen and murderers.

    Another step is to encourage people to report red flags when they see them. In the case of Tucson, a man clearly bent on violence was not reported to the proper authorities by those who had good reason to believe he had serious mental problems. That's not a deficiency in our gun laws, it's a deficiency in our mental health system – and should be treated as such.

    In closing, we agree that gun owners in America are highly responsible. This is in large part due to the NRA's 140 years of dedication to promoting safe and responsible gun ownership, an effort on which we take a back seat to no one. We welcome any serious discussion on policies that focus on prosecuting criminals and fixing deficiencies in the mental health system. Any proposals to the contrary are not a legitimate approach to the issue.

    Sincerely,

    Wayne LaPierre
    Executive Vice President
    National Rifle Association Chris W. Cox
    Executive Director
    NRA-ILA

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    Great letter thanks for posting.
    I am sitting in my angry chair!

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    Been following this on a few other sites. It is amazing that on many supposed firearm sites, there are members who seem to be siding with obama-messiah and complaining about the NRA talking to him.

    Our government is truly afraid that we know the actual reason for the second amendment, and it isn't about hunting for food for our tables!

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    Sending money now.
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    That's more than just a spine... they actually grew a pair of balls too!

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    Looks like the revolt is growing- no wonder Barry just wants to play golf and watch basketball all day.

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    A great letter to a blooming idiot.

    My guess would be that Barry never read the letter. His aides may/or may not have mentioned it to him, but that's as far as it got.
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    They hit a home run with that one.

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    THIS, is how the NRA should be speaking and acting 24/7. Just like Gun Owners of America---no compromise.

    This Administration is going to try the exact same bully, harass, threaten and high pressure techniques as the Clinton Admin. did. primarily because this Admin. is packed with former Clinton Admin re-treads.

    This is how we got Smith $ Wesson to capitulate. This is how we got about 50% of all FFLs wiped out during the Clinton regime. Importation bans, ect,ect,ect. Now we are looking at Part II.

    This time the NRA along with all firearms organizations and the entire 80 million strong gun owning community needs to close ranks and not give an inch to these gangsters. Send a message loud and clear------"not this time".

    Im just hoping that in the days to come, the NRA stands by their letter to this Administration. That when our remaining FFLs, our gun companies and all our individual 2nd Amendment civil rights come under attack, that the NRA negotiates some sort our "compromise" with these villains and in the end their letter turns out to be nothing but ---"lip service".

    so for now NRA,....I applaud you. Well done

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    My membership expired a few months ago.

    That letter convinced me to sign up again.

    Good job NRA.

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    IMHO


    Copy/print it out and mail the bastard as may copies as folks can afford to send.
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    I spotted this post on another site and thought Id add it to this thread.
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    Michael Bane made an excellent rebuttal of President Obama's recent call for "common sense" gun control. I watch Bane every week on the Outdoor Channel TV Show, Best Defense. He seems like a good guy.

    http://michaelbane.blogspot.com/2011...president.html

    COMMONSENSE = CONFISCATION

    Every single time!

    Every time and in every place that "commonsense" gun laws get enacted, they always end up the same way — confiscation. Every time. There is not one single exception out there. So Mr. President, we gun owners are a little tired of hearing how you really really love us and how you'll really really respect us in the morning, because we know in our bones, in our DNA, how that song ends.

    Every single "commonsense" gun control law suggested by our enemies has been nothing but a blatant attempt to circumvent D.C. v. Heller and strip us of our Constitutional rights. Every single one. There is nothing new in the current crop of nonsense; it is the same old crap stew rewarmed and served up yet again.

    I do, however, have several "commonsense" gun laws we can all support, Mr. President, and I'm sure you'll get behind them right away — national CCW reciprocity! And here's another one — don't let agencies of the U.S. government illegally smuggle guns into foreign nations! Heck, even Eric "My People My People" Holder can get behind that one! How about respecting safe transport laws, laws that you're sworn to uphold and your home city of Chicago ignores? Maybe give ole Rahm a call and tell him that Chicago, regardless of how sleazily it operates, is still part of the United States and subject to her laws. How's that for common sense?
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    Obomber loves the 2nd Amendment!
    I sold all my guns and ammo, now I live the quiet retired life.

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    Many people like to bash the NRA but I firmly believe they are directly responsible for our country having as many gun rights as we still do. Especially if you compare us to places like the UK, Canada, Australia, etc., nations that formerly had gun rights for it's citizens but are now bastions of liberal socialism & groupthink, that have basically outlawed private ownership.

    Obama never has, is not now, nor ever will be, on the side of supporters of the 2nd Amendment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meat-Hook View Post
    Send a message loud and clear------"not this time".
    States violate the Second Amendment... people obey. The federal government violates the Second Amendment... people obey.

    Asshole Clinton's AWB was obeyed by everyone. The NFA, GCA and FOPA are obeyed by everyone.

    Everyone posts worried questions about 922(r)... "Oh dear Oh my! Is my rifle compliant?"

    People throw out perfectly good parts and spend money to replace perfectly good parts with identical parts so that they can be "compliant".

    Our EMPLOYEES... the federal government, have the nerve and the gall to tell US what we can and cannot do... and we obey.

    Private sellers, who have NO legal obligation to obey out of state laws, take it upon themselves to not sell certain items to certain states... because they "Obey".

    WE want a gun and we PAY for it... and submit to a "criminal background check" to do so and/or endure stupid "waiting periods" while the criminals simply steal a gun.

    Cost to them: $0. NICS? Not for them. Waiting period? ROFLMAO! Nope, only us stupid GOOD GUYS obey.

    "Send a message loud and clear"? We already have.

    The message is "Why play games? Just go ahead and repeal the Second Amendment. Us gutless gun owners will obey".
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    Quote Originally Posted by mriddick View Post
    They hit a home run with that one.
    Unfortunately the stadium was empty and nobody saw the home run...
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    Quote Originally Posted by insider View Post

    Obomber loves the 2nd Amendment!
    That picture is as absurd as the original which has Kerry's face on it.

    Really, I kinda like this one better:



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    Cool NRA Reply and Rebuttal

    The Obamites are dumber than bricks if they believe the NRA would fall for that kind of crap!! The NRA reply was great but probably wasn't read, and certainly not digested, by anyone in the administration. I'm proud to be an NRA LIFER. There is definitely strength in numbers!!

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    shame they didnt touch upon the oath, you know, the one about defending the constitution?

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    Well I have scanned all the posts and pretty much see agreement with the NRA's decision not to meet. I'm not so sure. Should we refuse an opportunity to sit with our enemy and discuss ??

    (Also I am far from positive the NRA should have met. Just wondering.......)

    Wart

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