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    Short barrel with stock laws?

    What are the laws as far as the length of a barrel with a stock? I though there was some crap law that if a gun has a barrel under a certain length then it can't have a stock.

    I was looking at the Kel-Tec SU-16D and it has a 9.2' barrel, I'm assuming since they actively sell it it's legal but I wanted to make sure what the current knee jerk law is.

    I saw some nice Sig pistols that I like too but they don't have a stock, I wouldn't mind adding a stock to something like that if it's legal.

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    cause they're pistols.
    no stocks until you pay.



    If you want a stock the barrel has to be minimal 16" and still meet 26" OAL with stock unfolded.

    anything under that go flush $200 down the toilet like i have a few times




    IIRC theres 1 or 2 states wheres the barrel has to be 18" or so.
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    What he said. Put a butt stock on a pistol (or a front grip for that matter) without the requisite permission and tax payment, and you get to spend up to 10 yrs at Club Fed and make a $100,000 donation to the .gov.

    Because there is a rate of fire, db, and barrel/OAL clause (in addition to being 'sporting') to that which shall not be infringed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypher View Post
    What are the laws as far as the length of a barrel with a stock? I though there was some crap law that if a gun has a barrel under a certain length then it can't have a stock.

    I was looking at the Kel-Tec SU-16D and it has a 9.2' barrel, I'm assuming since they actively sell it it's legal but I wanted to make sure what the current knee jerk law is.

    I saw some nice Sig pistols that I like too but they don't have a stock, I wouldn't mind adding a stock to something like that if it's legal.
    RIFLE must have a barrel 16 inches or longer. RIFLE is allowed to have a shoulder stock.
    SHOTGUN must have a barrel 18 inches or longer. RIFLE is allowed to have a shoulder stock.
    Both RIFLE and SHOTGUN must also have an OVERALL length of 26 inches or more.
    A PISTOL can have any length barrel (there MAY be a legal minimum - not sure). However a PISTOL must be a one hand weapon, meaning it CANNOT have a shoulder stock or a forward grip.

    You can legally hold a pistol with both hands of course, but it cannot have more that one "grip"

    All this is, of course, for non NFA weapons.

    If your state allows it, you may be able to add a stock to a pistol by registering it as a "short barrel rifle", but I'm not sure so don't take my word for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hazmat View Post
    What he said. Put a butt stock on a pistol (or a front grip for that matter) without the requisite permission and tax payment, and you get to spend up to 10 yrs at Club Fed and make a $100,000 donation to the .gov.

    Because there is a rate of fire, db, and barrel/OAL clause (in addition to being 'sporting') to that which shall not be infringed.
    I agree that all the NFA regulations are bullshit, arbitrary and illegal infringements on our 2A rights.

    But what are you talking about "rate of fire"?

    If you can pull the trigger 1000 times a second, that's perfectly legal. It's only that the weapon can only fire one shot per pull.

    That's why bump-firing is legal (even though it has a rate of fire equal to a machinegun). Because there is still only one shot per trigger pull.

    Of course, that's today. Later today or tomorrow BATFE may make up another arbitrary rule...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
    I agree that all the NFA regulations are bullshit, arbitrary and illegal infringements on our 2A rights.

    But what are you talking about "rate of fire"?

    If you can pull the trigger 1000 times a second, that's perfectly legal. It's only that the weapon can only fire one shot per pull.

    That's why bump-firing is legal (even though it has a rate of fire equal to a machinegun). Because there is still only one shot per trigger pull.

    Of course, that's today. Later today or tomorrow BATFE may make up another arbitrary rule...
    By rate of fire I'm sure he meant one round per trigger pull.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyPertwee View Post
    By rate of fire I'm sure he meant one round per trigger pull.
    I'm sure that's what he MEANT... but that's not what it MEANS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
    RIFLE must have a barrel 16 inches or longer. RIFLE is allowed to have a shoulder stock.
    SHOTGUN must have a barrel 18 inches or longer. RIFLE is allowed to have a shoulder stock.
    Both RIFLE and SHOTGUN must also have an OVERALL length of 26 inches or more.
    A PISTOL can have any length barrel (there MAY be a legal minimum - not sure). However a PISTOL must be a one hand weapon, meaning it CANNOT have a shoulder stock or a forward grip.

    You can legally hold a pistol with both hands of course, but it cannot have more that one "grip"

    All this is, of course, for non NFA weapons.

    If your state allows it, you may be able to add a stock to a pistol by registering it as a "short barrel rifle", but I'm not sure so don't take my word for it.
    I may be wrong here (and probably am), but I thought a pistol had to have a barrel length less than 16" otherwise it was classified as a short rifle (short in that it had a rifle length barrel, but didn't have a shoulder stock, thus making it less that 26" overall).

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    There's some exceptions that the ATF has allowed over the years for PIstols with forward grips just cause the whole thing is over 26" OAL



    The FINE/prison time you see is the MAX they can give you.

    We had a moron a few years ago get busted with dumb shit and he got 5 years probation and a $3k fine that had to be paid off within that 5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
    But what are you talking about "rate of fire"?
    How many times does YOUR guns go bang when you pull the trigger? Mine, only once. Rate of fire. I've got a postie I'm working on that can do 30 rds with one pull of a trigger. Rate of fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
    RIFLE must have a barrel 16 inches or longer. RIFLE is allowed to have a shoulder stock.
    SHOTGUN must have a barrel 18 inches or longer. RIFLE is allowed to have a shoulder stock.
    Both RIFLE and SHOTGUN must also have an OVERALL length of 26 inches or more.
    A PISTOL can have any length barrel (there MAY be a legal minimum - not sure). However a PISTOL must be a one hand weapon, meaning it CANNOT have a shoulder stock or a forward grip.

    You can legally hold a pistol with both hands of course, but it cannot have more that one "grip"

    All this is, of course, for non NFA weapons.

    If your state allows it, you may be able to add a stock to a pistol by registering it as a "short barrel rifle", but I'm not sure so don't take my word for it.
    Just to ad my to cents:
    once a rifle always a rifle
    you can make a pistol into a SBR and pay the fun tax for it and be legal
    you can NEVER transform a rifle into a pistol
    you can transform a pistol in full flagged rifle but after that you cannot transform it back to a pistol
    Do not ask for LOGIC!!

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    OK, that's what I was thinking. For some reason I had hoped it changed, silly me.

    I wonder if this crap like this will ever be rescinded or if it is here to stay permanently.

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