The United States officially ends its military campaign in Iraq with no clear victory

[LAGC]

Baghdad, Iraq (CNN) -- The United States officially ended its eight-and-a-half year military campaign in Iraq Thursday, as the flag of the command was lowered in Baghdad.
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Noting the nearly 4,500 Americans killed and more than 30,000 injured, Obama spoke of the heavy sacrifice and hard work in the Iraq mission.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/15/world/...html?hpt=hp_c1

It's about fucking time! 4500 U.S. lives sacrificed and $1 TRILLION pissed away for what? Chasing after phantom WMDs and no clear end-goals...

Thanks for finally ending this unwinnable war, Mr. President. Hope Afghanistan is next, and soon. With no clear objectives and no clear victory, it was just a colossal waste of U.S. blood and treasure for little gain. It remains to be seen whether the Iraqi government will even survive with all the resentment the invasion and long occupation created.

Let us learn from this mistake and never again elect another warmongering president to get us bogged down in another futile war again, like with Iran.

Let people with oppressive governments wage their own revolutions, like in Libya, and let us not spill any more American blood under false pretenses and "nation building" with ulterior motives, ever again.

[mriddick]

I think the goal in Iraq was to draw out those who would be willing to take up arms and plan to attack Americans and kill them. I also believe it was to teach those who would support those who would take up arms and plan to attack Americans that we'd bring the war to their backyard. In that I think we were very successful. The inevitable cycle of nation building we fell into was a waste, IMO we should of pulled up stakes when Saddam was killed and the same for osama.

[El Laton Caliente]

Same as Nam, the Republicans won the war and the Democrats lost the peace...

[Ruskiegunlover]

and typical of the socialist pig fuck that he is celebrating what may very well be a LOSS for America. SHis title really tells you everything he and the left feel about the American military......A thumbs UP, and a celebretory 'WE LOST, YAY!'.

Hey, FUCK you lagc. Just another worthless, tit-sucking, cock blowing, child raping, murdering occupy movement type piece of shit.

Certainly not an American, because no one tryly loyal and patriotic for our country would CELEBRATE a loss for our military.

[LAGC]

Save your rage for your hero Boosh who got us dragged into it in the first place. All those deaths are on his hands.

"Mission Accomplished!" eight years ago! HA!

[LAGC]

Same as Nam, the Republicans won the war and the Democrats lost the peace...

Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but was it not Gerald Ford (R) who was president when Saigon fell in 1975?

[mriddick]

Sort of odd yesterday hearing the President talk about the surge winning the war when he was not only agaisnt it but ran as President as being against it. The only reason he's able to pull out today with any chance of looking like the job is finished is because of a plan he never supported till it gave him the "victory".

The really sad thing in all this is somehow I bet LAGC is more worried about loss of the money that could of went to his kind so they might not have to work. I really don't think he has an opinion on anything not driven by "whats in it for me"...

[LAGC]

The really sad thing in all this is somehow I bet LAGC is more worried about loss of the money that could of went to his kind so they might not have to work. I really don't think he has an opinion on anything not driven by "whats in it for me"...

The entire war was unfunded to begin with. That TRILLION dollars was pure deficit spending, and all the interest on that debt will likely inflate that number to $3 TRILLION or more over 50 years before its ever paid down, if ever. (And that's not even counting all the V.A. expenses for caring for all those wounded soldiers over the next 50 years.)

Thank the deity that McCain isn't president, or we would have never pulled out. There would have been even more troops put into harms way, as he would have committed U.S. troops for "100 years if that's what it takes." Endless war.

[ATAK, Inc.]

The entire war was unfunded to begin with. That TRILLION dollars was pure deficit spending, and all the interest on that debt will likely inflate that number to $3 TRILLION or more over 50 years before its ever paid down, if ever. (And that's not even counting all the V.A. expenses for caring for all those wounded soldiers over the next 50 years.)

Thank the deity that McCain isn't president, or we would have never pulled out. There would have been even more troops put into harms way, as he would have committed U.S. troops for "100 years if that's what it takes." Endless war.

OK, first off, the entire war cost NEARLY $900,000,000,000. While there is not much difference between $90 and $100, there is a huge difference between $900B and $1 Trillion.

Secondly, you speak of "phantom" WMD's. True, none were found but even in my eyes the dictator who used them on his neighbor and own people had them. Seeing as that is a lot of desert, we may never know what happened to them. Bottom line, it is fact that Saddam had them and had no problem in using them!

Thirdly, you are a lower than pond scum sucking leach on society who has absolutely no clue!

[mriddick]

The entire war was unfunded to begin with. That TRILLION dollars was pure deficit spending, and all the interest on that debt will likely inflate that number to $3 TRILLION or more over 50 years before its ever paid down, if ever. (And that's not even counting all the V.A. expenses for caring for all those wounded soldiers over the next 50 years.)

Thank the deity that McCain isn't president, or we would have never pulled out. There would have been even more troops put into harms way, as he would have committed U.S. troops for "100 years if that's what it takes." Endless war.

The point was you're more then happy to spend the equivalent amount of money on give aways to those who won't work so I think it’s alittle disingenuous to act like the money would of been saved under any plan you’d support.

[El Laton Caliente]

Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but was it not Gerald Ford (R) who was president when Saigon fell in 1975?

The Dem congress defunded military aid and the south literately ran out of ammunition and fuel.

[Warthogg]

The Dem congress defunded military aid and the south literately ran out of ammunition and fuel.

El Lat, South Vietnamese politicians and generals had continually stolen much of the fuel and ammunition money plus the pay for their troops. Ultimately, though there was much for the South Vietnamese soldier to fight against, there was little for which to fight.


Wart

[Justin]

El Lat, South Vietnamese politicians and generals had continually stolen much of the fuel and ammunition money plus the pay for their troops. Ultimately, though there was much for the South Vietnamese soldier to fight against, there was little for which to fight.


Wart

I also read that the South Vietnamese army would promote soldiers based on their social status, and as a result had a lousy military.

[imanaknut]

No clear victory? If the USA had some backbone in 1938 and did to Hitler what we did to Hussein we would never have had the death camps, and this would very likely be a different world as many of the scientists murdered later by Hitler and his blind followers might have found the cures to many diseases.

Not saying the Iraqi people were as advanced as those murdered by Hitler, but we will never know how far Hussein would have gone if we ignored him. After all, using similar logic, Adolph Hitler never attacked the USA either, right?

[Warthogg]

The only reason he's able to pull out today with any chance of looking like the job is finished is because of a plan he never supported till it gave him the "victory".

Dear GOD there is no "victory". Barry is pulling out because the Dubya administration's SOFA agreement called for all US troops to be gone by 12/31/2011. (Iran approved the agreement before Iraq would sign.) I do not count China's oil concessions a US victory. In an ocean of shit if you must have a victor then Iran is that victor.

I think the goal in Iraq was to draw out those who would be willing to take up arms and plan to attack Americans and kill them. I also believe it was to teach those who would support those who would take up arms and plan to attack Americans that we'd bring the war to their backyard. In that I think we were very successful.

You have posted this before and I've struggled to not respond. I want to believe you haven't actually read and considered your above post.


Wart

[Warthogg]

I also read that the South Vietnamese army would promote soldiers based on their social status, and as a result had a lousy military.

CORRECT.


Wart

[Warthogg]

After all, using similar logic, Adolph Hitler never attacked the USA either, right?

Correct. Adolph Hitler (Germany) declared war on the United States of America.


Wart

[mriddick]

You have posted this before and I've struggled to not respond. I want to believe you haven't actually read and considered your above post.


Wart

It's been documented that fighters from all over went to Iraq to wage war on the closest Americans they could find. I also believe we went to war because Saddam's plot to kill an ex President (Bush Sr) which probably counts as well in the whole kill them there VS catch them here plan. After alqueada moved into Iraq there were plans found linking planned attacks on US soil to those killed in Iraq.
At this point that I believe is pretty much history...

[Warthogg]

I also believe we went to war because Saddam's plot to kill an ex President (Bush Sr) which probably counts as well.....

Yeah I think the plot to kill Bush I figured in though I don't know much.

There is something missing from this whole Iraq deal from before Gulf War I. Bush I's Ambassador to Iraq (April Glaspie) gave Saddam the green light to invade Kuwait. WHY ??

Maybe Bush I simply wanted to spike oil prices. The House of Bush and the House of Saud had been/still are asshole buddies for years.

Anyway, I'm not sure why. I will not be offended if you or anyone does not believe this to be true. CNN had sold out to Saddam and I saw the interview of Ambassador Glaspie and Saddam twice in the same night on CNN. Never saw or heard of it again.


Wart

[Krupski]

Let people with oppressive governments wage their own revolutions, like in Libya, and let us not spill any more American blood under false pretenses and "nation building" with ulterior motives, ever again.

There are no "false pretenses". Bell, Boeing, ATK, General Dynamics, etc... need those "defense" dollars. Americans want that oil.

America will always be at war with someone.

If we run out of real enemies, we'll just stage another Reichstag fire and pin the blame on the next donkey...

As far as our soldiers... our sons and daughters... to the government and defense contractors, they are just expendable pawns. If it makes them money, it's OK by them.

I wonder how many sons and daughters of defense contractors or politicians serve in our military? Not many I'll bet. They don't want THEIR kids to die for them, they want OUR kids to die for them.